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	<title>Comments on: Gravel statement on California Supreme Court ruling</title>
	<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/</link>
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		<title>by: Gary Baumgarten</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-658272</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 03:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Mike Gravel will be my guest on News Talk Online on Paltalk.com at 5 PM New York time Friday June 20.

Go to my blog, www.garybaumgarten.com to click on the link to join in the conversation to listen or talk to Gravel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Mike Gravel will be my guest on News Talk Online on Paltalk.com at 5 <span class="caps">PM </span>New York time Friday June 20.</p>
	<p>Go to my blog, <a href='http://www.garybaumgarten.com' rel='nofollow'>www.garybaumgarten.com</a> to click on the link to join in the conversation to listen or talk to Gravel.</p>
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		<title>by: disinter</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-609502</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 16:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>If you are still haven't trouble finding others that are against more government intervention, I will gladly provide more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If you are still haven&#8217;t trouble finding others that are against more government intervention, I will gladly provide more.</p>
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		<title>by: disinter</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-609501</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 16:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-609501</guid>
					<description>More:


http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/15/phillies-salutes-advance-of-liberty-in-california/#comment-607793

http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/15/phillies-salutes-advance-of-liberty-in-california/#comment-607826</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>More:</p>
	<p><a href='http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/15/phillies-salutes-advance-of-liberty-in-california/#comment-607793' rel='nofollow'>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/15/phillies-salutes-advance-of-liberty-in-california/#comment-607793</a></p>
	<p><a href='http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/15/phillies-salutes-advance-of-liberty-in-california/#comment-607826' rel='nofollow'>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/15/phillies-salutes-advance-of-liberty-in-california/#comment-607826</a></p>
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		<title>by: disinter</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-609499</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 16:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-609499</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;That’s pretty obvious to everyone here except you and HugeAss, since you and him are the only ones complaining &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ever learn to read?

http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-608801

http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-608770</description>
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<blockquote>That&#8217;s pretty obvious to everyone here except you and HugeAss, since you and him are the only ones complaining </blockquote></p>
	<p>Ever learn to read?</p>
	<p><a href='http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-608801' rel='nofollow'>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-608801</a></p>
	<p><a href='http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-608770' rel='nofollow'>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-608770</a></p>
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		<title>by: disinter</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-609492</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 16:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-609492</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This is how a direct democracy could work instead of turning into mob rule.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, that is how a Republic would work.  If we still had one.</description>
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<blockquote>This is how a direct democracy could work instead of turning into mob rule.</blockquote></p>
	<p>No, that is how a Republic would work.  If we still had one.</p>
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		<title>by: disinter</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-609482</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 16:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-609482</guid>
					<description>Seedick – Are you saying such licensing is constitutional or even libertarian?

Your really should go back to the the Republicrats where you belong - and take the Outright Liber-Nazis with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Seedick &#8211; Are you saying such licensing is constitutional or even libertarian?</p>
	<p>Your really should go back to the the Republicrats where you belong &#8211; and take the Outright Liber-Nazis with you.</p>
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		<title>by: Michael Seebeck</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-609196</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 05:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-609196</guid>
					<description>Sorry, disinteresting, you don't seem to get it: laws were repealed and freedom of choice was expanded with the ruling.  Government restrictions on freedom of choice were rolled back.  How you can claim the opposite is an exercise in warped logic that only a Democrat or Republican could come up with.  That's pretty obvious to everyone here except you and HugeAss, since you and him are the only ones complaining about the court upholding the state constitution.  I guess you liked it the other way?

The only stupid one here is you.  You don't seem to grasp that common-law marriage was also just opened up for same-sex couples as well.  No license needed.  You got so obsessed with marriage licenses you forgot the alternative got expanded as well.

And you call me stupid?  Make fun, buddy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sorry, disinteresting, you don&#8217;t seem to get it: laws were repealed and freedom of choice was expanded with the ruling.  Government restrictions on freedom of choice were rolled back.  How you can claim the opposite is an exercise in warped logic that only a Democrat or Republican could come up with.  That&#8217;s pretty obvious to everyone here except you and HugeAss, since you and him are the only ones complaining about the court upholding the state constitution.  I guess you liked it the other way?</p>
	<p>The only stupid one here is you.  You don&#8217;t seem to grasp that common-law marriage was also just opened up for same-sex couples as well.  No license needed.  You got so obsessed with marriage licenses you forgot the alternative got expanded as well.</p>
	<p>And you call me stupid?  Make fun, buddy.</p>
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		<title>by: disinter</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-608966</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 00:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-608966</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;No, dysentery, I am not.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Let me try to help your feeble attempt to understand:

Huge Ass and I explain to you that this expansion of state power you so eagerly label a victory is, in fact, unconstitutional and unlibertarian.  You then cry that we haven't read the ruling.  I then ask you if you are saying the ruling doesn't require gay couples to get permission from the govt to get married, if it is constitutional and if it is libertarian.  You then cry that more government is necessary to get less government.

Are you really too stupid to realize the flaw in your thinking?</description>
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<blockquote>No, dysentery, I am not.</blockquote></p>
	<p>Let me try to help your feeble attempt to understand:</p>
	<p>Huge Ass and I explain to you that this expansion of state power you so eagerly label a victory is, in fact, unconstitutional and unlibertarian.  You then cry that we haven&#8217;t read the ruling.  I then ask you if you are saying the ruling doesn&#8217;t require gay couples to get permission from the govt to get married, if it is constitutional and if it is libertarian.  You then cry that more government is necessary to get less government.</p>
	<p>Are you really too stupid to realize the flaw in your thinking?</p>
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		<title>by: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-608965</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 00:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-608965</guid>
					<description>You can tell Disinter comes from a broken home, there was no one there to wash his mouth with soap</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You can tell Disinter comes from a broken home, there was no one there to wash his mouth with soap</p>
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		<title>by: disinter</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-608958</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 00:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-608958</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It has a lot to do with why you were removed from OL.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Seedick, how could someone be removed from something they didn't try, or have any interest to, stay in.

Your red herring doesn't even make sense.</description>
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<blockquote>It has a lot to do with why you were removed from OL.</blockquote></p>
	<p>Seedick, how could someone be removed from something they didn&#8217;t try, or have any interest to, stay in.</p>
	<p>Your red herring doesn&#8217;t even make sense.</p>
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		<title>by: Michael Seebeck</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-608895</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 23:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-608895</guid>
					<description>No, dysentery, I am not.  And I can namecall with the best of them, so quit while you're behind.

What I am saying is that removing the prohibition on the licensing is a necessary step in removing the licensing.  Removing the prohibition levels the playing field and make sit that much easier to argue for removing the licensing altogether with the claim that since everybody does it, it's not needed.  When some can't get it, as before, then that argument doesn't work since the statist quo antes claim that it is needed to keep what they consider to be &quot;undesirables&quot; out of their little club.  You open up the membership in teh club to all in order to remove the membership requirement altogether.

Too bad you don;t seem to understand political tactics.  It has a lot to do with why you were removed from OL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>No, dysentery, I am not.  And I can namecall with the best of them, so quit while you&#8217;re behind.</p>
	<p>What I am saying is that removing the prohibition on the licensing is a necessary step in removing the licensing.  Removing the prohibition levels the playing field and make sit that much easier to argue for removing the licensing altogether with the claim that since everybody does it, it&#8217;s not needed.  When some can&#8217;t get it, as before, then that argument doesn&#8217;t work since the statist quo antes claim that it is needed to keep what they consider to be &#8220;undesirables&#8221; out of their little club.  You open up the membership in teh club to all in order to remove the membership requirement altogether.</p>
	<p>Too bad you don;t seem to understand political tactics.  It has a lot to do with why you were removed from OL.</p>
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		<title>by: disinter</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-608878</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 23:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-608878</guid>
					<description>Seedick - are you saying that gay couples will not have to register with the government (get permission) to get married?  Are you saying such licensing is constitutional or even libertarian?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Seedick &#8211; are you saying that gay couples will not have to register with the government (get permission) to get married?  Are you saying such licensing is constitutional or even libertarian?</p>
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		<title>by: Michael Seebeck</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-608869</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 23:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-608869</guid>
					<description>disinter, HugeAss didn't read the ruling, either.  Obviously, neither did you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>disinter, HugeAss didn&#8217;t read the ruling, either.  Obviously, neither did you.</p>
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		<title>by: disinter</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-608853</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 23:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-608853</guid>
					<description>Huge Ass correctly points out:

&quot;This doesn’t move us closer to liberty, because it simply mandates that all gay couples register with the state government, and that unelected judges maintain the power to overrule the wills of the people. Libertarians should be working to abolish unconstitutional marriage licensing, and allow all couples to freely marry.&quot;

http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/15/phillies-salutes-advance-of-liberty-in-california/#comment-608831</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Huge Ass correctly points out:</p>
	<p>&#8220;This doesn&#8217;t move us closer to liberty, because it simply mandates that all gay couples register with the state government, and that unelected judges maintain the power to overrule the wills of the people. Libertarians should be working to abolish unconstitutional marriage licensing, and allow all couples to freely marry.&#8221;</p>
	<p><a href='http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/15/phillies-salutes-advance-of-liberty-in-california/#comment-608831' rel='nofollow'>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/15/phillies-salutes-advance-of-liberty-in-california/#comment-608831</a></p>
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		<title>by: Michael Seebeck</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-608852</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 23:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/gravel-statement-on-california-supreme-court-ruling/#comment-608852</guid>
					<description>disinter, take your personal animus elsewhere.

http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/california-libertarians-say-todays-supreme-court-decision-on-same-sex-marriage-is-a-step-in-the-right-direction/#comment-608851</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>disinter, take your personal animus elsewhere.</p>
	<p><a href='http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/california-libertarians-say-todays-supreme-court-decision-on-same-sex-marriage-is-a-step-in-the-right-direction/#comment-608851' rel='nofollow'>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/16/california-libertarians-say-todays-supreme-court-decision-on-same-sex-marriage-is-a-step-in-the-right-direction/#comment-608851</a></p>
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