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	<title>Comments on: Nader Focuses on the Big Issues: The Pennsylvania Turnpike</title>
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		<title>by: Matt</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/20/nader-focuses-on-the-big-issues-the-pennsylvania-turnpike/#comment-612531</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 02:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Though I don't agree with everything Catholic Trotskyist said.  I think the first step, and an essential step, for your issues is to advocate for lower petition requirements for making it onto the ballot in the first place.  lower threshold = possibility for more candidates in more races = stronger voice for change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Though I don&#8217;t agree with everything Catholic Trotskyist said.  I think the first step, and an essential step, for your issues is to advocate for lower petition requirements for making it onto the ballot in the first place.  lower threshold = possibility for more candidates in more races = stronger voice for change.</p>
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		<title>by: Ross</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/20/nader-focuses-on-the-big-issues-the-pennsylvania-turnpike/#comment-612503</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 02:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I think that thing about Gravel pointed out one of his best qualities - he is a courageous man that will not fold under pressure.  He IS a principled man.  Look at the work he did in the 70s to fight the Vietnam War and the draft.  Look at how he had the brass ones to stand up to Clinton in the debates - he is the one that knocked her from her pedestal by calling her out on her Iran vote.  That's the difference between Gravel and Barr (aside from, of course, the National Initiative):  Barr tends to sway with the political winds, while Gravel stands for what is right and what is just, and he acts on his beliefs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think that thing about Gravel pointed out one of his best qualities &#8211; he is a courageous man that will not fold under pressure.  He IS a principled man.  Look at the work he did in the 70s to fight the Vietnam War and the draft.  Look at how he had the brass ones to stand up to Clinton in the debates &#8211; he is the one that knocked her from her pedestal by calling her out on her Iran vote.  That&#8217;s the difference between Gravel and Barr (aside from, of course, the National Initiative):  Barr tends to sway with the political winds, while Gravel stands for what is right and what is just, and he acts on his beliefs.</p>
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		<title>by: Craig</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/20/nader-focuses-on-the-big-issues-the-pennsylvania-turnpike/#comment-612348</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 23:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/20/nader-focuses-on-the-big-issues-the-pennsylvania-turnpike/#comment-612348</guid>
					<description>Selling off state government &quot;owned&quot; roads to foreign (or local) corporations IS a big issue, and it's bigger than just the Pennsylvania Turnpike.  It's also a libertarian philosophy issue -- is a state-granted corporate monopoly better or worse than continuing state control?  Is operating the highways a legitimate function of government?  If not, how high on the priority list should privatization be?

All that being said, this is a third party blog, not the Associated Press.  We expect a little sarcasm, bias, and humor now and then, and the comments are available to complain when we think they are out of place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Selling off state government &#8220;owned&#8221; roads to foreign (or local) corporations IS a big issue, and it&#8217;s bigger than just the Pennsylvania Turnpike.  It&#8217;s also a libertarian philosophy issue&#8212;is a state-granted corporate monopoly better or worse than continuing state control?  Is operating the highways a legitimate function of government?  If not, how high on the priority list should privatization be?</p>
	<p>All that being said, this is a third party blog, not the Associated Press.  We expect a little sarcasm, bias, and humor now and then, and the comments are available to complain when we think they are out of place.</p>
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		<title>by: Catholic Trotskyist</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/20/nader-focuses-on-the-big-issues-the-pennsylvania-turnpike/#comment-612316</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 22:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/20/nader-focuses-on-the-big-issues-the-pennsylvania-turnpike/#comment-612316</guid>
					<description>And God said, &quot;HEAR O ISRAEL O MY PEOPLE, MAY MY CURSE BE UPON THE FASCIST/STALINIST CRIMINAL RALPH NADER, AND GLORY UNTO THE OBAMA REVOLUTION.&quot;

I'd also like to request everyone to pray for our MOST HOLY CATHOLIC TROTSKYIST REVOLUTIONARY GENERAL AND OBAMA STALWART, EDWARD MOORE KENNEDY (AKA TED KENNEDY) FOR A SPEEDY RECOVERY FROM HIS ILLNESS, AND THAT HE MAY COME TO SUPPORT THE FRINGE ALLIANCE STRATEGY.

Here is the Fringe Alliance Strategy so you libertarian delegates can pass it along to the party convention, while you are praying for Ted Kennedy. I have developed a strategy based on an alliance between the Green, libertarian
and constitution parties, the various socialist movements and centrist independents, Kucinich Democrats, Ron Paul Republicans, and other smaller groups such as fascists, feudalists, monarchists and syndicalists, to initiate the following goals.

1. The electoral college is abolished.
2. The presidential election uses a national Majo		rity Runoff system. This will change us from a republic to a democracy.
3. Congress is elected through proportional representation.

Third parties should spend most of their energies pushing for these constitutional amendments, using graphic protests in public locations. Otherwise, the
efforts of all of them are doomed to do nothing more than push the major parties slightly in one direction, and ruin the chances of the parties that their
candidates are most closely aligned with, while gaining such small failing numbers for themselves. The people who visit this site are by definitions on
the fringes of society. It is important for the fringe to get together. This strategy is gaining the support of many political scientists across the nation,
and I will continue to post it several times a week here until it is adopted. Fortunately, we have the Obama Revolution to save our country for now.
The revolution will be televised.
Please pray for the pope and please pray for Barack Obama. Amen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>And God said, &#8220;HEAR <span class="caps">O ISRAEL O MY PEOPLE</span>, MAY <span class="caps">MY CURSE BE UPON THE FASCIST</span>/STALINIST <span class="caps">CRIMINAL RALPH NADER</span>, AND <span class="caps">GLORY UNTO THE OBAMA REVOLUTION</span>.&#8221;</p>
	<p>I&#8217;d also like to request everyone to pray for our <span class="caps">MOST HOLY CATHOLIC TROTSKYIST REVOLUTIONARY GENERAL AND OBAMA STALWART</span>, EDWARD <span class="caps">MOORE KENNEDY </span>(AKA <span class="caps">TED KENNEDY</span>) FOR <span class="caps">A SPEEDY RECOVERY FROM HIS ILLNESS</span>, AND <span class="caps">THAT HE MAY COME TO SUPPORT THE FRINGE ALLIANCE STRATEGY</span>.</p>
	<p>Here is the Fringe Alliance Strategy so you libertarian delegates can pass it along to the party convention, while you are praying for Ted Kennedy. I have developed a strategy based on an alliance between the Green, libertarian<br />
and constitution parties, the various socialist movements and centrist independents, Kucinich Democrats, Ron Paul Republicans, and other smaller groups such as fascists, feudalists, monarchists and syndicalists, to initiate the following goals.</p>
	<p>1. The electoral college is abolished.<br />
2. The presidential election uses a national Majority Runoff system. This will change us from a republic to a democracy.<br />
3. Congress is elected through proportional representation.</p>
	<p>Third parties should spend most of their energies pushing for these constitutional amendments, using graphic protests in public locations. Otherwise, the<br />
efforts of all of them are doomed to do nothing more than push the major parties slightly in one direction, and ruin the chances of the parties that their<br />
candidates are most closely aligned with, while gaining such small failing numbers for themselves. The people who visit this site are by definitions on<br />
the fringes of society. It is important for the fringe to get together. This strategy is gaining the support of many political scientists across the nation,<br />
and I will continue to post it several times a week here until it is adopted. Fortunately, we have the Obama Revolution to save our country for now.<br />
The revolution will be televised.<br />
Please pray for the pope and please pray for Barack Obama. Amen.</p>
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		<title>by: David from Texas</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/20/nader-focuses-on-the-big-issues-the-pennsylvania-turnpike/#comment-612314</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 22:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/20/nader-focuses-on-the-big-issues-the-pennsylvania-turnpike/#comment-612314</guid>
					<description>this is one of those few times I will agree with Nader.  From a conservative prospective I see this as a money grab by liberal politico's (like our gov. Perry here in Texas) They sell off the assets so they can continue their big spending ways with out raising taxes - they will be long out of office before the down side hits the fan.  To the scoffers this is a national issue this type of activity is being attempted in many states.  To the libertarians on this site if you can build a road without using the power of the state to subsidize the financing or using eminate domain to obtain the property then I will go along with the arguement  for privitization of that road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>this is one of those few times I will agree with Nader.  From a conservative prospective I see this as a money grab by liberal politico&#8217;s (like our gov. Perry here in Texas) They sell off the assets so they can continue their big spending ways with out raising taxes &#8211; they will be long out of office before the down side hits the fan.  To the scoffers this is a national issue this type of activity is being attempted in many states.  To the libertarians on this site if you can build a road without using the power of the state to subsidize the financing or using eminate domain to obtain the property then I will go along with the arguement  for privitization of that road.</p>
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		<title>by: Laine</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/20/nader-focuses-on-the-big-issues-the-pennsylvania-turnpike/#comment-612267</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 21:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/20/nader-focuses-on-the-big-issues-the-pennsylvania-turnpike/#comment-612267</guid>
					<description>I applaud Mr. Nader for criticizing this sell out and eventual give away to foreign corporations. I can only hope that the voters of PA realize what sort of an issue further privitzation of our public services can be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I applaud Mr. Nader for criticizing this sell out and eventual give away to foreign corporations. I can only hope that the voters of PA realize what sort of an issue further privitzation of our public services can be.</p>
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		<title>by: Kenny</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/20/nader-focuses-on-the-big-issues-the-pennsylvania-turnpike/#comment-612265</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 21:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/20/nader-focuses-on-the-big-issues-the-pennsylvania-turnpike/#comment-612265</guid>
					<description>Ross, it seems that TPW is now part of the Reform Caucus-Barr campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ross, it seems that <span class="caps">TPW</span> is now part of the Reform Caucus-Barr campaign.</p>
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		<title>by: End the Empire</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/20/nader-focuses-on-the-big-issues-the-pennsylvania-turnpike/#comment-612192</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 20:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/20/nader-focuses-on-the-big-issues-the-pennsylvania-turnpike/#comment-612192</guid>
					<description>Ross that would be a good post...
http://www.gravel2008.us/content/mike-gravel-best-anti-war-candidate

Why can't the U.S. citizens (and DUNGdero and associates) listen to the founders when they WERE CORRECT ?!

James Madison wrote: &quot;If tyranny and oppression come to this land it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.&quot; And: &quot;No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ross that would be a good post&#8230;<br />
<a href='http://www.gravel2008.us/content/mike-gravel-best-anti-war-candidate' rel='nofollow'>http://www.gravel2008.us/content/mike-gravel-best-anti-war-candidate</a></p>
	<p>Why can&#8217;t the U.S. citizens (and <span class="caps">DUN</span>Gdero and associates) listen to the founders when they <span class="caps">WERE CORRECT </span>?!</p>
	<p>James Madison wrote: &#8220;If tyranny and oppression come to this land it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.&#8221; And: &#8220;No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>by: End the Empire</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/20/nader-focuses-on-the-big-issues-the-pennsylvania-turnpike/#comment-612185</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 20:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/20/nader-focuses-on-the-big-issues-the-pennsylvania-turnpike/#comment-612185</guid>
					<description>The move of local and state governments to sale off to &quot;foreign interests&quot; IS a national issue. In some cases water has been sold by local govs and in a short amount of time the price has quadrupiled to the consumer. I saw a show where water was privatized somewhere in central america and it is now illegal to collect rainwater! That my friends is inhuman, to treat the peasants in such a manner. 

This is where I part company with libertarians, if the roads are privatized in which the owner can restrict travel, the poor (elderly, handicapped &amp;#38; yes just plain lazy ones)would suffer and in some cases would be totally stopped from travel, if they couldn't pay the price. Roads must remain open for all people to freely move to and from food, jobs,hospitals and even entertainment, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The move of local and state governments to sale off to &#8220;foreign interests&#8221; IS a national issue. In some cases water has been sold by local govs and in a short amount of time the price has quadrupiled to the consumer. I saw a show where water was privatized somewhere in central america and it is now illegal to collect rainwater! That my friends is inhuman, to treat the peasants in such a manner.</p>
	<p>This is where I part company with libertarians, if the roads are privatized in which the owner can restrict travel, the poor (elderly, handicapped &#038; yes just plain lazy ones)would suffer and in some cases would be totally stopped from travel, if they couldn&#8217;t pay the price. Roads must remain open for all people to freely move to and from food, jobs,hospitals and even entertainment, etc.</p>
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		<title>by: Ross</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/20/nader-focuses-on-the-big-issues-the-pennsylvania-turnpike/#comment-612147</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 19:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/20/nader-focuses-on-the-big-issues-the-pennsylvania-turnpike/#comment-612147</guid>
					<description>Here's something TPW could post (since the last thing I sent to tips didn't get posted):

http://www.gravel2008.us/content/mike-gravel-best-anti-war-candidate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Here&#8217;s something <span class="caps">TPW</span> could post (since the last thing I sent to tips didn&#8217;t get posted):</p>
	<p><a href='http://www.gravel2008.us/content/mike-gravel-best-anti-war-candidate' rel='nofollow'>http://www.gravel2008.us/content/mike-gravel-best-anti-war-candidate</a></p>
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		<title>by: Lance Brown</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/20/nader-focuses-on-the-big-issues-the-pennsylvania-turnpike/#comment-612133</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 19:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/20/nader-focuses-on-the-big-issues-the-pennsylvania-turnpike/#comment-612133</guid>
					<description>I'm no Nader fan, but I think posting his media release with a sarcastic dig in the post's title is bad journalism. This is either a media release from the Nader campaign, or it's a TPW editorial. It shouldn't be both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m no Nader fan, but I think posting his media release with a sarcastic dig in the post&#8217;s title is bad journalism. This is either a media release from the Nader campaign, or it&#8217;s a <span class="caps">TPW</span> editorial. It shouldn&#8217;t be both.</p>
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		<title>by: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/20/nader-focuses-on-the-big-issues-the-pennsylvania-turnpike/#comment-612130</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 18:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/20/nader-focuses-on-the-big-issues-the-pennsylvania-turnpike/#comment-612130</guid>
					<description>Nader is right again</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Nader is right again</p>
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		<title>by: Ross</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/20/nader-focuses-on-the-big-issues-the-pennsylvania-turnpike/#comment-612107</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 18:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/20/nader-focuses-on-the-big-issues-the-pennsylvania-turnpike/#comment-612107</guid>
					<description>Do I sense sarcasm in that title?

Nader's a consumer advocate, first and foremost, people.  And this isn't just an issue in Pennsylvania - highways are controversially being privatized (now, I'm not sure if I'm for or against it because I don't know enough about it) all over the country.  And highways are a huge part of American life.  An essential part of our economy is largely based on them - transportation.

dodsworth - I really don't think the PA Turnpike existed before the government built it.  And the taxpayers pay to maintain it nowadays, even if it once was private.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Do I sense sarcasm in that title?</p>
	<p>Nader&#8217;s a consumer advocate, first and foremost, people.  And this isn&#8217;t just an issue in Pennsylvania &#8211; highways are controversially being privatized (now, I&#8217;m not sure if I&#8217;m for or against it because I don&#8217;t know enough about it) all over the country.  And highways are a huge part of American life.  An essential part of our economy is largely based on them &#8211; transportation.</p>
	<p>dodsworth &#8211; I really don&#8217;t think the <span class="caps">PA </span>Turnpike existed before the government built it.  And the taxpayers pay to maintain it nowadays, even if it once was private.</p>
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		<title>by: dodsworth</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/20/nader-focuses-on-the-big-issues-the-pennsylvania-turnpike/#comment-612074</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 17:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/20/nader-focuses-on-the-big-issues-the-pennsylvania-turnpike/#comment-612074</guid>
					<description>Nader's claim that the &quot;public&quot; paid for it is dubious.   I'll bet dollars to donuts that back in the nineteenth century the turnpike was originally private.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Nader&#8217;s claim that the &#8220;public&#8221; paid for it is dubious.   I&#8217;ll bet dollars to donuts that back in the nineteenth century the turnpike was originally private.</p>
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		<title>by: JT</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/20/nader-focuses-on-the-big-issues-the-pennsylvania-turnpike/#comment-612053</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 16:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/20/nader-focuses-on-the-big-issues-the-pennsylvania-turnpike/#comment-612053</guid>
					<description>Is the title of this post supposed to be a joke? How is this a &quot;big issue&quot; in a national race? It's an issue for a candidate for PA governor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Is the title of this post supposed to be a joke? How is this a &#8220;big issue&#8221; in a national race? It&#8217;s an issue for a candidate for PA governor.</p>
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