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Barr on Fox News

H/T to Lew and Anthony at LRC

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83 Responses to “Barr on Fox News”

Kenny Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 6:52 pm
Barr identifies himself with true conservatives and libertarian-leaning Republicans (1.43). There was no mention of the Iraq War.
disinter Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Bob Barfed: “I’m a TRUE conservative”.

Barf.
Haigh Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 7:11 pm
New Barr on Iraq

FOX – Money for Breakfast- 5/29/08 @ 4;31
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Kx11gya-430
“Spending $3 billion per week in Iraq– wholly irresponsible”

Bloomberg – Business & The Ballot – 5/29/08 @2:04
http://youtube.com/watch?v=n_o97bp5Wr0
“Iraq – irresponsible to be spending $400 million per day….immediately and significantly reducing the American economic and military footprint leading to a complete withdrawal as quickly as possible”
disinter Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 7:18 pm

“Spending $3 billion per week in Iraq– wholly irresponsible”

Oh, you mean the war that Barf voted FOR? Irresponsible indeed.
DIAMOND DAVE Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 7:20 pm
Haigh don’t try to set thte record straight here, anybody with a half a brain knows Bob Barr is against the war. Disinter and Kenny (one and the same) will only give you the same OLD same old.
Jonathan Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Jun 04 is a big day for the Libertarian Nation, Bob Barr will be appearing on:

The Colbert Report
Comedy Central
11:30 pm Edt.

and

The Glenn Beck Program
CNN Headline News Channel
7:00 pm Edt.

Spread the news and please donate. I am very excited as this campaign is off to a great start. Meanwhile Hillary and Brack are still battling.

$ 190,000 and counting
Please donate to www.bobbarr2008.com
disinter Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 7:29 pm

$ 190,000 and counting

The Kostards appear to be Barfed out… the counter has slowed dramatically.

Meanwhile “troofer” Alex Jones has raised over $200k in just a couple days, $80 of that within 11 hours.

http://cache-a.infowars.com/moneybomb/index.html
disinter Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 7:31 pm
I take that back, Alex Jones raised over $200k in ONE day – yesterday.

How many weeks has it taken Barf to get to $190k?
Jonathan Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 7:35 pm
who the hell is Alex Jones ?
disinter Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 7:36 pm

who the hell is Alex Jones ?

My point exactly.
GREEN DAD Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 7:37 pm
disinter do you understand that all you do and say is negative, put downs, tear downs , nothing constructive, why are you here for ?
Truth4lyfe Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 7:38 pm
Disinter is a Republican plant hell bent on deterring any progress made in opposition to the GOP. They know Bladwin and the Constitution Party as well as writing-in for Ron Paul has no chance of having any short or long term consequences against the GOP. They recognize the potential Bob Barr has to grow the LP and will stop at nothing, even embarrassing themselves relentlessly with terrible Barr-Barf puns, to prevent that from happening.
JONATHAN Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 7:39 pm
WELL good for Alex Jones whoever that is, obviously not doing a good job with name recognition, but I’m talking about the candidate I care about and that is Bob Barr. I do wish all Thrid Party candidates the best of luck as the more choices, the more voices the better America is off.
Rob Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 7:40 pm
disinter – if you pull the “barf” thing about 57,000 more times it might just stick.

Go for it! You’ve obviously got the time…
DIAMOND DAVE Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 7:41 pm
I think Disinter ismore than a Republican plant. He truly has mental problems, like Green Dad says he doesn’t bring anything to the table to inspire , motivate, stimulate, it’s all negative , it’s all stupid.
Truth4lyfe Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Yeah, but it’s not like a revelation that disinter is dumb as hell. He puts it all out there and it’s all retarded.
disinter Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 7:49 pm

WELL good for Alex Jones whoever that is, obviously not doing a good job with name recognition

Considering Jones can raise more in ONE day than Barf can raise in weeks, it doesn’t say much for Barf who’s media attention you think is going to make him mainstream. Time to start waking up children.
Jonathan Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 7:53 pm
at least people know who Bob Barr is already and the campaign just started. No one knows who this Alex Jones is. Is he another kiddi porn lover
Truth4lyfe Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 7:56 pm
Jones has built spent years building up an army of millions of devoted followers through his radio program. Most people outside the political world hadn’t heard of Bob Barr two months ago. Ron Paul didn’t break a million dollars in donations until months after he announced his nomination and it should be obvious to anyone with a brain that donations still running into Paul’s campaign are going to hurt people like Barr until Paul officially drops out after the convention. It’s time for you to use your damn head or admit you’re a plant.
disinter Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 7:57 pm

at least people know who Bob Barr is already

My point exactly.
disinter Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 7:59 pm

donations still running into Paul’s campaign are going to hurt people like Barr

Considering Ron Paul is actually a libertarian, and has done FAR more to spread the message than Barf will ever do, this is a good thing.
disinter Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 8:01 pm

Jones has built spent years building up an army of millions of devoted followers through his radio program.

Yes, the same people Barf wishes to alienate. Unlike Ron Paul. Hint.
disinter Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 8:05 pm
Well look at this article on Jone’s site, will ya:

http://www.infowars.com/?p=2488

Seems Barf isn’t too popular.
Rob Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 8:07 pm
wow, disinter, I didn’t think you’d actually go for ir….

56,996 more “barfs” to go…you can do it!
Truth4lyfe Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 8:08 pm
What good is spreading the message if you can’t ever build a political vehicle to implicate it’s philosophies? You’re never going to get the elite to change the Republican platform today. It is what it is. You can still influence the direction of a fresh party like the LP but in order for that to matter you need to prove the message and the vehicle (the LP) can resonate on a mainstream level and that is what Barr is trying to accomplish this year. By missing the larger point and naively picking fights with people trying to accomplish the same goals you are deterring progress. So unless you’re a plant your stance and attitudes make no sense.
disinter Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 8:11 pm

and the vehicle (the LP) can resonate on a mainstream level and that is what Barr is trying to accomplish this year.

Yea, cuz Ron Paul was FAR more radical and he didn’t have any support.
Susan Hogarth Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 8:11 pm
So what I find interesting here is that Barr explicitly says he didn’t become a Libertarian. He says the “Republican Party left me and many other conservatives and libertarian-leaning Republicans.”

Pretty annoying that our Party’s candidate is basically selling the LP as a rest home for disgruntled Republicans.
Truth4lyfe Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Barr wishes to alienate those same people? Wow, you really don’t get it do you? You’ve decided you don’t like Bob Barr because of what he did in congress and you’ve stubbornly refused to even give a chance to the thought that his regret for his past stances and conversion to libertarianism are genuine. Despite the fact that one of his greatest enemies while he was in congress, the Marijuana Policy Project, and others have given him their full support. So the actual people dedicating their lives to freedom and liberty that are there on the front line want Barr but he’s vomit to you. Naive as hell.
disinter Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 8:23 pm

Barr wishes to alienate those same people? Wow, you really don’t get it do you?

I guess you forgot that he refused to participate in the “troofer” debate at the convention.
Truth4lyfe Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Unfortunately, you don’t understand how politics works Mrs. Hogarth. If the LP ever wants to become successful it HAS TO get more people that have similar political philosophies and former alliances like Bob Barr into the party. That line is also obviously not completely representative (if you’ve done your homework) to the extent to which he’s become more libertarian since leaving the GOP. That’s a line you’re going to be hearing from him a lot though because it’s so politically effective. Get the disgruntled R’s and D’s to the LP and then educate them and that’s how a political movement will be born.
Truth4lyfe Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 8:33 pm
That’s because a truther debate is political suicide smart guy.
Truth4lyfe Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 8:34 pm
And I count electability as a virtue, not a sin. Perhaps that’s where we disagree.
disinter Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 8:36 pm

That’s because a truther debate is political suicide smart guy.

Umm, you just claimed that he didn’t want to alienate those people. You are very confused.
disinter Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 8:37 pm

And I count electability as a virtue, not a sin. Perhaps that’s where we disagree.

Perhaps.

http://www.democracyisnotfreedom.com/
Truth4lyfe Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 8:42 pm
First off, I am those people so don’t put words in my mouth. But I’m not dumb enough to think that a politician participating in a truther debate is going to help progress the libertarian message to the mainstream. If anything it would discredit it to the point of it continuing to be irrelevant which would seemingly be fine with you.
disinter Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 8:48 pm

But I’m not dumb enough to think that a politician participating in a truther debate is going to help progress the libertarian message to the mainstream.

Yea cuz truthers like Alex Jones don’t have any support.

Earth to Barfers: Jones raised more money in ONE day than Barf has been able to raise in MONTHS.
Susan Hogarth Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Unfortunately, you don’t understand how politics works Mrs. Hogarth.

I am sure you will set me straight. Something you may want to consider, though, is that third-party politics are different from the politics of the two major parties. That is a simple fact of the American two-party system.

If the LP ever wants to become successful it HAS TO get more people that have similar political philosophies and former alliances like Bob Barr into the party.

I’ve never said otherwise. I think you are confusing me with someone else.

That line is also obviously not completely representative (if you’ve done your homework) to the extent to which he’s become more libertarian since leaving the GOP. That’s a line you’re going to be hearing from him a lot though because it’s so politically effective.

So either Barr is being honest and he isn’t really embracing the LP’s positions (which is what I beleive – and I have ‘done my homework’; Barr has made several antilibertarian statements recently), or Barr is ‘really’ quite Libertarian but doesn’t want to say so for fear of offending people who are not. You may consider the latter to be ‘politically effective’, and such weaseling may in fact be effective for Rs and Ds, but for third-party candidates what is most effective is a bold statement of principle designed to find and stimulate people who are already libertarian in philosophy.

Get the disgruntled R’s and D’s to the LP and then educate them and that’s how a political movement will be born.

This political movement is well beyond ‘born’, thankyouverymuch.
Truth4lyfe Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 8:54 pm
And Paul raised more money than McCain and look where that got him. Is the truther base large enough to do some impressive fund raising? Sure. Is is large enough to have a significant dent in politics? Hell no.
disinter Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 8:57 pm

And Paul raised more money than McCain and look where that got him.

You Barfers are seriously devoid of facts. Go check how much money McSame has raised and get back with me.
disinter Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 8:59 pm

Is the truther base large enough to do some impressive fund raising? Sure. Is is large enough to have a significant dent in politics? Hell no.

If that is the case, then Barf will have an even less significant dent because he has less support than the “troofers”. Try connecting the dots.
Truth4lyfe Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 9:09 pm
I concede, Ms. Hogarth, that you are correct that the political movement has been born; the argument is over what are be the best tactics to ensure that it grows. And I’m sorry if I came off as condescending because you seem intelligent and respectful. You might think that 3rd party campaigns need to be run differently than the major parties but that is because your basing your knowledge on past failing 3rd party campaigns. The kind of campaigning you described sounds like the kind of campaigns the LP has run for the past 30 years that have gotten them nowhere. What Barr needs to be able to do is get the attention of “libertarian leaning” Republicans and Democrats and instead of describing themselves as “libertarian leaning” get them to begin describe themselves a libertarians. Articulating it the way he did in that interview may seem “weasily” to you but it’s effective and it’s what he needs to keep doing. You should be excited at the potential growth for the party and although the debate over what exactly libertarian policy should be is an important one, it would be a far more thrilling debate with more people don’t you think?
Truth4lyfe Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 9:15 pm
Semantics disinter. That’s all you have. Paul raised exponentially more money than McCain in the time period between Nov-Jan; the same time period that McCain sealed the Republican nomination and left Paul in the dust. You’re right that McCain may have gotten a little more overall because Paul was brining in practically nothing by your standards until around October and McCain brought in a lot of funds early.
disinter Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 9:19 pm

You’re right that McCain may have gotten a little more overall

A LITTLE more? Are you kidding me?
disinter needs to get back on his meds Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Don’t pay any attention to disinter. He’s just throwing a temper tantrum because DOMA supporting Ron Paul didn’t win the R nomination. His panties are in a wad because the child molestation queen didn’t win the L nomination. His widdle feelings are hurt because Outright Libs won’t let him suck their chumbawambas any more.

Nobody likes disinter any more. He’s burned all his bridges. He’s just the Eric Dondero of gay libertarians.
Joe Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Susan Hogarth,

My only refret from the convention is that I voted for you for the LNC. Along with my vote for McGovern in ‘72 I will have to carry this and apologize to everyone I meet.
Yangus Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 9:29 pm
The Free State Project is the only thing that has advanced the cause of liberty. The Libertarian Party fails at even getting a representative elected. So why even waste your time with the highest office in the land? Bob Barf will not win anything. He will not even win a state. Ross Perot had billions of dollars and all the national face time he could ever dream of and he didn’t win a state. Barr is just a protest vote against the other two people running. If anything the Barr nomination shows that you have to become like the other two parties in order to “win!”. So in reality there is no 3rd choice when the polices will be the same.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gLTkGQbg8vg
Troofer Slayer Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 9:32 pm
disinter, thanks for the link. I hadn’t decided if I was going to support Barr or not, but since you point out that the troofers hate him, he’s now got my support. Thanks for clearing this up for me.
Steve Perkins Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 9:58 pm
I was a bit skeptical about what direction TPW would take following the “takeover”... but the fact that disinter still hasn’t been banned yet puts the “mouthpiece” conspiracy theories to rest in my mind. Say what you want about Stephen Gordon or Shane Cory or whoever, but those guys obviously have the patience of Job in the way they run a blog.
DeeDeeT Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Dysentery—- thanks for the link to the www.democracyisnotfreedom.com website. You do have some use afterall. I love the quotes on the homepage:

WHAT POLITICIANS SAY Now . . .

“Democracy is … the only path to national success and dignity.” —George W. Bush

“We must revitalize our democracy.” —Bill Clinton

“The world must be made safe for democracy.”

—Woodrow Wilson

WHAT THE FOUNDERS SAID Then . . .

“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.” —Ben Franklin

“The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”

—Thomas Jefferson

“Democracy … wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There is never a democracy that did not commit suicide.”

—John Adams

“Democracy is the most vile form of government… democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention… incompatible with personal security or the rights of property.”

—James Madison

“The majority, oppressing an individual, is guilty of a crime, abuses its strength, and … breaks up the foundations of society.”

—Thomas Jefferson
disinter Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 10:08 pm

but the fact that disinter still hasn’t been banned yet

And the retard/”unity” caucus speaks.
disinter Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 10:10 pm

I hadn’t decided if I was going to support Barr or not, but since you point out that the troofers hate him, he’s now got my support.

Good, Barf is going to need it. When the “troofers” can raise more in one day than Barf can raise after months of begging, it is pretty sad.
Eric Dondero Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 10:14 pm
Pretty hilarious to see a Newbie like Susan Hogarth talking about “her party.” Hey Hogarth, you’ve been around for what? 3 years or something?

The Libertarian Party was founded by Republicans. The Founder of the Party was the State Chairman of the Colorado Young Republicans. The first Presidential candidate Dr. John Hospers, was a Republican. He won an electoral vote from REPUBLICAN elector Roger MacBride. Every single Libertarian Presidential candidate has been a Republican, except one – Harry Browne, who was a self-described non-political Anarchist.

Every single Libertarian State Legislator every elected was a Republican, and 3 of them were members of the “Republican Caucus” when they served as Libertarians.

The Libertarian Party has always been, and will always be tied at the hip of the Republican Party.

The only thing that’s new is the infiltration of George Soros Moveon.org Lefties like you, trying to shake our historic link to the GOP.

Ain’t gonna happen.
The Democratic Republican Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 10:40 pm
The LP will destroy the two parties and force them to merge into one party, representing what they truly are: The Statist Party. This country will finally have the ideological battle that’s been brewing for 80 years, since FDR attempted to become Caesar.
Susan Hogarth Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 10:42 pm
My only refret from the convention is that I voted for you for the LNC.

I’m curious. What persuaded you to vote for me?
D. Frank Robinson Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 10:51 pm
Barr-Root won’t advance the LP. But not because they are not traditional radical Libertarians, but because third-party Presidential campaigns are not about winning the Presidency. Winning a Presidential election is impossible because of the way the electoral system is rigged. Running to win is a total waste of resources – even you’re a billionaire candidate.

However, that doesn’t make 3rd parties irrelevant. IF 3rd P leaders could grasp that electing people to Congress is possible – barely – that would provide immediate political leverage. It’s tough to give up 19th Century political paradigms – especially in the 21st Century.

The Presidential election is over already. The Congressional elections will lost by 3rd parties again by default and wasting their meager resources on playing with a stacked deck for the Presidency. So chill people.. Barr doesn’t matter one way of the other in the election. I don’t care what his vote total is 1 percent or two. Can he get a “faithless” electoral vote? Who knows. But that doesn’t take much money or votes.

It’s the Congress where both parties are vulnerable – they’re even more unpopular than Presidents and have been for decades. And the campaign finance censorship is less effective in suppressing insurgents for Congress.

Duh! Think about it when you try to sober up from your pointless flames about these pointless candidates. Try running candidates for Congress in 2010. Get a few elected, THEN try electing a U.S. Senator. Get few elected. THEN try electing a President.

Thirty-odd years of ass-backwards campaigning is stupidity.
Susan Hogarth Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 10:51 pm
What Barr needs to be able to do is get the attention of “libertarian leaning” Republicans and Democrats and instead of describing themselves as “libertarian leaning” get them to begin describe themselves a libertarians.

Why should they do so if he won’t? That was sort of my point: instead of saying “I was a libertarian-leaning Republican, now I’m an actual Libertarian because Republican isn’t good enough,” Barr is saying essentially “Republican is good enough, but just Republican the way I define it.” Barr isn’t ‘defining himself as a libertarian’, so how can he be expected to inspire others to so define themselves?

Articulating it the way he did in that interview may seem “weasily” to you but it’s effective and it’s what he needs to keep doing.

What evidence do you have that it is effective?

You should be excited at the potential growth for the party and although the debate over what exactly libertarian policy should be is an important one, it would be a far more thrilling debate with more people don’t you think?

Of course. Whatever growth Barr inspires will be a good thing, but folks like myself will have a busy time of it trying to follow Barr around explaining that libertarianism is NOT states’ rights, and it is NOT a new federal tax. But I am happy to take that job on.

I would just prefer to have Barr do some of that work of correctly explaining libertarianism, so that I can do something other than correct the misimpressions he is spreading about it.
disinter Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 10:56 pm

Try running candidates for Congress in 2010. Get a few elected, THEN try electing a U.S. Senator. Get few elected. THEN try electing a President.

Thirty-odd years of ass-backwards campaigning is stupidity.

I agree, 100%.
David Tomlin Says:
June 2nd, 2008 at 12:09 am
On CNN the morning after Denver, Bob Barr said he intends to take votes from both McCain and Obama. But that seems to be exceptional. Usually he gives the same answer as on this FOX interview. It seems he’s being careful not to burn too many bridges.
Jay Matthews Says:
June 2nd, 2008 at 12:15 am
Hey Disinter, just a thought,......give Barr a chance and let’s see if he really has changed his views. A fair shot is all I’m talking about. Let’s not hang him, let’s see if he hangs himself.
disinter Says:
June 2nd, 2008 at 12:16 am

let’s see if he hangs himself.

Too late, he already has.
RussellK Says:
June 2nd, 2008 at 12:38 am
“Bob Barr was a Grand Dragon of the KKK? How many more skeletons does this career statist, and now racist, have?”

-Disinter

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
David Tomlin Says:
June 2nd, 2008 at 1:19 am
Why is Barr’s sincerity still an issue?

Barr in the Denver debate:

‘After listening to [some Outright Libertarians] and hearing from them first hand the damage to their lives and the lives of other Americans that have been wrought by the abuse of that provision and those provisions in the Defense of Marriage Act that purport to define marriage by the federal government which has been used as a hammer on individuals seeking to enter this country and who are in this country to deny them rights that they ought to have. And as I promised them then and as I promise you now I will work to repeal that provision of laws.’

In a speech the next day Barr said that ‘the Defense of Marriage Act insofar as it provided the federal government a club to club down the rights of law abiding American citizens has been abused, misused, and should be repealed, and I will work to repeal that.’

On CNN the next day Barr said:

‘Well, I wouldn’t be too hard – too fast to talk about the Defense of Marriage Act flying in the face of anybody’s platform. It simply stands for the proposition that each state is free to make up its own decision – its people are able to decide for themselves what their definition of marriage should be, and no one state should force another state to adopt its definition – a very, very sound, individualistic and states’ rights policy.’

I think many ‘reformers’ don’t care about Barr’s sincerity. They only care about name recognition and ‘media savvy’, because that’s their idea of ‘real politics’.
Kenny Says:
June 2nd, 2008 at 4:59 am
Diamond Dave repeats the smear that I am “disinter” rather than address the issues that I raise. Get Stephen Gordon to check our IP addresses. They will show that I post from London, England.

It is bitterly disappointing to see the old Rovian smear tactics used here by Barr supporters. True Ron Paul supporters have principles and more class.
Steve Dasbach Says:
June 2nd, 2008 at 5:58 am
Eric Dondero wrote:

“The Libertarian Party has always been, and will always be tied at the hip of the Republican Party.”

In your dreams.
Clark Says:
June 2nd, 2008 at 6:41 am
...barf supporters, i am an am/short wave radio junkie..for years.. (‘tin foil hat’ slurs encouraged) ;o)

...i’ve heard the barf barf for a few years…

...i can tell you a few things with some certainty..

...1.) he CERTAINLY doesn’t understand ‘the money thing’ (but then, neither do most/all you republitards)

.. 2.) he is CERTAINLY no true ‘libertarian’ (but then, neither are many of you republitards)

.. 3.) most/all the publicity your stooooooooooopid, slimy, fuck barf will generate WILL be a long-term negative for the ‘libertarian’ movement..as decent, knowledgeable people tend to drift away in embarrassment/disgust while more kneel boorish, stoooooooopid fucks like, apparently, the barf supporters here, tend to drift in..

..but have a good day anyway, dummie$! ;o)
Eric Dondero Says:
June 2nd, 2008 at 6:49 am
Ha, ha! This is getting hilarious. Now Hogarth says, “the Libertarian Party is not about States Rights…”

Really? That’s all your hero Ron Paul ever talks about. He’s all about States Rights. Every answer to every question from Paul, is “States Rights this… States Rights that…”

Are you now saying Ron Paul is no libertarian cause he supports States Rights?
Eric Dondero Says:
June 2nd, 2008 at 6:50 am
Dasbach:

Please explain why it is there’s never been a former Democrat running as a Libertarian for President? Why every single LP Prez candidate has been a Republican?

Is that just a coincidence?
timothy west Says:
June 2nd, 2008 at 7:21 am
The LP doesn’t represent the entire libertarian ’ movement’. this, in fact, has been the party’s biggest failure. It’s attempted to make politically impossible viewpoints i.e ( vote for me, I will abolish everything ) work. It can only represent the politically viable section of it. – IF it decides it wants to be a political party. Otherwise, It can be the PETA of political parties – and act accordingly. I think half the party want the political party, and a bit less than half would rather it stay a protest org.

Other orgs, such as the advocates, etc., would be better for other interests. A political party must be political in nature and address political concerns.

Otherwise, it’s a fraud on the voting public, who have every right to expect that their votes are not misrepresented by candidates the party nominates.
Kenny Says:
June 2nd, 2008 at 8:06 am
Eric, Harry Browne never joined the GOP.

Mike Gravel would have been the first ex-Dem LP Presidential candidate.
Geoffrey the Liberator Says:
June 2nd, 2008 at 8:51 am
If you believe Jone’s raised $200US in one day, then “Dinster” I have a bridge to sell you. Please call 1-800-IMSTUPID ASAP because it is going fast and I am only taking bids today. Sir, you are an ass, and should be banned from this site.
Aristotle Says:
June 2nd, 2008 at 10:12 am
Mike Gravel would have made a better LP Presidential candidate. Bob Barf is a better fit in the new Whig Party.
C. Al Currier Says:
June 2nd, 2008 at 10:17 am

Dasbach: Please explain why it is there’s never been a former Democrat running as a Libertarian for President? Why every single LP Prez candidate has been a Republican?
Is that just a coincidence? ..Eric Dondero says:

Mike what’s-his-name-senator-guy just ran as LP Prez candidate in Denver. Mickey was a former Democrat Senator. Mr. Dondero, please don’t bother Mr. Dasbach with dumb stuff.
JT Says:
June 2nd, 2008 at 10:39 am
Dondero, how does the fact that most Libertarian presidential nominees were former Republicans, or that the party was founded by former Republicans, prove that the Libertarian Party is “tied to the hip” of the GOP? If anything, it proves the opposite: that the Republican Party has long since abandoned any commitment it once had (perhaps during the Goldwater era) to seriously reducing government.
Doug Craig Says:
June 2nd, 2008 at 10:41 am
Eric

State rights does not equal Libertarianism just like the Fair tax is not tax reform. It is just trading one monster for a smaller one .
BTW I had ask if any one can find a quote where Barr supports the fair tax as presented by Linder/Boortz.
I would say the LP leans right but pure Libertarianism should not lean either way
Robert Capozzi Says:
June 2nd, 2008 at 12:15 pm
No fan of the term “state’s rights” here, but federalism is a tool available to Ls to roll back the state. For the time being, it’s one of our best, most effective tools, one that allows Ls to sidestep making utopian pronouncements.
Yangus Says:
June 2nd, 2008 at 8:18 pm
“Bob Barfed: “I’m a TRUE conservative”.

Barf.”

Nooo!! That can’t be I thought he was a Libertarian.
Yangus Says:
June 2nd, 2008 at 8:30 pm
“Are you now saying Ron Paul is no libertarian cause he supports States Rights?”

Yes, he is not a libertarian. Same can be said for Bob Barr. This is no such thing as “state’s rights”. That is a mental fabrication of the paleoconservatives. Libertarianism is about the rights of the individual. Anyone who advocates states rights is by definition not a libertarian. Libertarians don’t advocate collectivist ideas such as “state’s rights”.
Eric Dondero Says:
June 2nd, 2008 at 10:26 pm
Obviously, the point was every single Libertarian Party Presidential candidate, not including those who ran for the nomination, meaning:

John Hospers
Roger MacBride
Ed Clark
David Bergland
Ron Paul
Andre Marrou
Harry Brown (not a Republican)
Harry Brown (not a Republican)
Michael Badnarik
Eric Dondero Says:
June 2nd, 2008 at 10:27 pm
BTW, note John Hospers and Roger MacBride (now deceased) and Ron Paul all returned to the GOP. There have also been rumors that Marrou is somewhat of a “Republican” these days.
Michael Seebeck Says:
June 2nd, 2008 at 10:32 pm
True libertarianism is the center, not left or right. The idea of the LP being GOP-lite or even radical Republicanism is born from the Old Media not having any clue or brains to do the research to figure out what we stand for. I had to deal with this all the time when I was LPCO Media Director—they focus on the fiscal and forget the social.

Also, Yangus is correct, states do not have “rights”. People are the only political entities that have rights. People have powers as well, but governments at all levels only have powers granted to them by the People. If you read the Constitution carefully the difference is clearly apparent.

And the same argument holds true for other artificial entities like corporations and businesses—they have granted powers, not rights.

The GOP doesn’t seem to understand these fundamental points of liberty.

The Democrats don’t get it much either.
disinter Says:
June 2nd, 2008 at 10:33 pm

If you believe Jone’s raised $200US in one day, then “Dinster” I have a bridge to sell you.

http://cache-a.infowars.com/moneybomb/index.html
DeeDeeT Says:
June 3rd, 2008 at 12:05 am
I’m curious … where do you ‘experts’ put Barry Goldwater, SR on the scale of Republicans Libertarians [both small and cap R & L].
C. Al Currier Says:
June 3rd, 2008 at 11:18 am
True conserv’tives and pure lib’tarians!

For those of us untrue or impure, is their any hope?
—-need x’pert advice.

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