Whigs Love Bob Barr
Bob Barr for President!
Bob Barr served four terms in Congress. He works tirelessly to help preserve our fundamental right to privacy and our other civil liberties guaranteed in the Bill of Rights. Along with this, Bob is committed to helping elect leaders who will strive for smaller government, lower taxes and abundant individual freedom. Long a friend and ally of Ron Paul in Congress, Bob Barr is also the nominee of the Libertarian Party.
Please, this time, do not vote for the lesser of two evils!
The major parties have again nominated deeply flawed nominees who do not represent America, but are the chosen favorites of powerful persons and interests outside of our country, who wish to pillage and destroy our Nation, and use our armed forces at their will.
June 1st, 2008 at 7:46 am
Oh my gosh! You all simply MUST SEE this new video that just hit YouTube. A DNC delegate woman from New York screamed at reporters, after the secret meeting to decide how to count the FL and MI delegates. She said “Goddamn the Democrats” and asserted reverse racism for BHO, as the reason Clinton’s people were ejected.
Why should Libertarians care? (Aside the fact it’s great political theatre).
Cause there’s another breaking story…
Hillary Rodham Clinton’s brother Tony just remarked to reporters that he might just “vote for Bob Barr” given the treatment his sister has received.
The Democrats are imploding. I’m lovin’ it
(We have the video and Rodham’s remarks up at Libertarian Republican blog. But in fairness, Robert Stacey McCain at American Spectator broke both stories.)
June 1st, 2008 at 8:31 am
Questions for Bob Barr Supporters
When Bob Barr was in Congress, and/or prior to joining the Libertarian Party, did he
1. Join or apply to join the Republican Liberty Cause?
2. Attend or apply to attend a meeting of Ron Paul’s Liberty Caucus?
Has Bob Barr or his PAC
1. Donated to the campaign of Republican Liberty Caucus candidate, including incumbents?
2. Donated to the campaign of a member of Ron Paul’s Liberty Caucus?
Please provide details (candidate, amount, date) of any such donations.
June 1st, 2008 at 8:58 am
Hey Kenny,
What’s the point?
There’s Obama, McCain, and Barr. Is that a hard choice?
June 1st, 2008 at 9:57 am
Accoring to the RLC, Barr is only marginally more libertarian than McCain. In fact, Barr only just makes it into the libertarian quadrant, largely due to his poor record on personal liberty.
Barr – http://republicanliberty.org/libdex/cg_legis.asp?key=bab02
McCain – http://republicanliberty.org/libdex/cg_legis.asp?key=mcj01
The point of my earlier post was to seek evidence that Barr had a libertarian track record before joining the LP. I cannot find any.
By contrast, Ron Paul generally scored first or second on the RLC index. Barr is no Ron Paul as his voting record proves. Due to Barr’s lack of commitment libertarian cause inside the House, has little chance of securing any endorsement from Dr Paul.
Until Barr can prove his libertarian credentials with clear and unequivocal statements on the war, drug decriminalization and the economy, my recommendation would be to abstain.
June 1st, 2008 at 9:59 am
Who are the Whigs?
June 1st, 2008 at 10:12 am
By doing what? Issuing bogus press releases?
He voted FOR the patriot act. Voted FOR illegal war. Worked FOR the CIA. Was a drug warrior/prosecutor.
June 1st, 2008 at 10:13 am
Form the Whigs’ website:
During its brief sway, the historical Whig party… stood for improved national infrastructure, roads, bridges, and canals. They believed that the national economy was as important as its politics, and so they were for tariffs and a Bank of the USA based on principles suggested earlier by Alexander Hamilton. They felt American industry and jobs should be protected by import and export tariffs,...
Our modern revival of the Whig Party stands quite strictly on the same principles as the old historical American Whig Party…
Hardly an endorsement a Libertarian candidate would want to brag about, I think. More of an embarrassment. What next? The SWP endorsement?
Alexander Hamilton, indeed! Tariffs and a national bank. Yeah Barr.
sigh
With friends like these…
June 1st, 2008 at 10:14 am
Why is Barf still donating money to Republican candidates that are running against Libertarian candidates?
June 1st, 2008 at 10:15 am
When is the KKK going to endorse Barf? Or have they already?
June 1st, 2008 at 10:16 am
Hows the Boston Tea Party doing? Have to decided their nominee yet?
June 1st, 2008 at 10:27 am
Looks like a group of about 5 people. Barf is getting desperate.
June 1st, 2008 at 10:51 am
“Looks like a group of about 5 people. Barf is getting desperate.”
I would doubt that he actually sought out their endorsement, so I don’t see how this makes him desperate.
June 1st, 2008 at 12:29 pm
looks like kenny and disinter just spew out the same old tired questions.
June 1st, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Diamond Dave Disinter and Kenny is probably one and the same kid posting under different names. Who cares let them have their fun.
June 1st, 2008 at 12:36 pm
MEDIA ALERTS
Jun 01:
Interview: America’s Election HQ
Fox News
1:45pm Edt
Jun 04:
The Colbert Report
Comedy Central
11:30 pm Edt.
Jun 04:
The Glenn Beck Program
CNN Headline News Channel
7:00 pm Edt.
Barr is doing his part spreading the word, now let’s do ours, let everyone know everytiome Bob is on the news, we must introduce America to Bob Barr. We must let freedom Grow ! This is the chance for the Libertarian Party to finally break through !
June 1st, 2008 at 12:54 pm
I’m still waiting for the Anti-Federalist endorsement. I have a feeling that the Tories will go for Obama, though.
June 1st, 2008 at 1:41 pm
“Diamond Dave” and “Green Dad” resort to smears and lies rather answer my pertinent questions. They are not tired questions because Barr and his supporters will not answer them.
For the record, I am not “disinter” and live in London, England. Get that into your moronic retard GOP skulls!
June 1st, 2008 at 1:55 pm
So are we still waiting on word from the Anti-Masonic Party? Their endorsement could be crucial.
Lighten up, people. This is nothing more than an amusing tidbit. Take it for what it is- nothing- and move on.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:05 pm
The idea that disinter actually thought Barr would actively seek a whig party endorsement (as hilarious as it is) just highlights his ignorance.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Kenny, I don’t think Americans on this site need political advice from an Englishman. Thanks though.
Look, it’s well-known amongst Libertarians that Bob Barr had a poor record n civil liberties while he was in Congress until 2003. He has publicly admitted that many times and apologized for it. After he was ousted from Congress, however, he changed his tune. For several years, he has vigorously lobbied on behalf of groups like the ACLU and MPP. He’s also on record in this campaign as repealing the Bush administration’s assault on the Bill of Rights. Between Obama, McCain, and Barr, there’s no question who the most libertarian presidential candidate is.
Also, you’d be wise not to take the “Republican Liberty Caucus” seriously. The Republicans in Congress whom they consider to be “libertarian” are merely conservatives with libertarian votes on a small number of semi-libertarian bills (which you might know if you lived in this country and were familiar with these politicians). Moreoever, the RLC has no power within the GOP whatsoever.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Good point about the RLC. Whatever Paul had in mind when he founded it, it’s been a miserable failure since then.
Though I’m hoping he uses that leftover money for some kind of revamped “Ron Paul Republican” RLC PAC. That could have potential if they avoid bringing in people like Tancredo (!) and other “quasi-libertarian-leaning conservatives” who are in Congress.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:27 pm
“Kenny, I don’t think Americans on this site need political advice from an Englishman. Thanks though.”
I am not English.
Good points from Andy Craig at 2.16pm!
June 1st, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Disinter,
“Why is Barf still donating money to Republican candidates that are running against Libertarian candidates?”
Why did you donate to Ron Paul (a Republican candidate) whom is running against Bob Barr (a Libertarian candidate)?
Ya see what I did there? Haha. I guess Party loyalty is that important after all.
June 1st, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Disinter,
“When is the KKK going to endorse Barf? Or have they already?”
Uh oh. The old KKK argument! Run for cover! We all remember what happened when it was used on Ron Paul. Good job, your arguments are now on the same level as the MSM’s.
June 1st, 2008 at 3:54 pm
The only problem is that Paul was never associated with any racist organizations, Barf was/is:
http://www.tylwythteg.com/enemies/Barr/barr1.html
June 1st, 2008 at 4:06 pm
“Until Barr can prove his libertarian credentials with clear and unequivocal statements on the war, drug decriminalization and the economy, my recommendation would be to abstain.” – Kenny
Kenny,
If you can find me McCain quotes like these done by Barr recently on mainstream media, I’ll vote for a Republican POTUS for the first time in my life.
FOX – Money for Breakfast- 5/29/08 @ 4;31
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Kx11gya-430
“Spending $3 billion per week in Iraq– wholly irresponsible”
Bloomberg – Business & The Ballot – 5/29/08 @2:04
http://youtube.com/watch?v=n_o97bp5Wr0
“Iraq – irresponsible to be spending $400 million per day….immediately and significantly reducing the American economic and military footprint leading to a complete withdrawal as quickly as possible”
June 1st, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Haigh, Barr voted for the Iraq War. If spending $3 billion per month is wholly irresponsible, what would President Barr do to reduce it? Reduce the number of troops or pull out? At the moment, he is equivocating – unlike Ron Paul.
June 1st, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Disinter
“The only problem is that Paul was never associated with any racist organizations, Barf was/is: http://www.tylwythteg.com/enemies/Barr/barr1.html”
Also from that website:
“Much like Lott, Barr’s speeches to a racist group are not an isolated incident. Bob Barr allowed the John Birch Society, an ultraconservative organization filled with Klu Klux Klansmen and other truly terrifying examples of the right”
In regard to Ron Paul’s connection to JBS:
http://www.jbs.org/node/7677
Either Ron Paul is a bigot or your source is crap.
Bob Barr gave one single speech to a group that preaches small government values. Once he learned more details about the organization, he regretted speaking to them and never did again.
I’ll admit the Barr has his deficiencies, but your arguments are shallow and intellectually dishonest.
June 1st, 2008 at 4:36 pm
Which proves his comments are lies.
June 1st, 2008 at 4:37 pm
Kenny,
What part of “leading to a complete withdrawal as quickly as possible” do you not understand?
June 1st, 2008 at 4:42 pm
“Barr voted for the Iraq War”
-Disinter
He changed his stance on many issues since then. Either you believe his conversion to Libertarianism or you dont. That is really the only argument left. I am giving him the benefit of doubt.
June 1st, 2008 at 4:43 pm
“Barr voted for the Iraq War.”
Ancient history.
June 1st, 2008 at 5:00 pm
It looks likes the irrational exuberance of Disinter in his crusade against Bob Barr is leading to sensationally inaccurate reporting of the facts.
http://disinter.wordpress.com/2008/05/31/bob-barr-grand-dragon-of-the-kkk/
“Bob Barr was a Grand Dragon of the KKK? How many more skeletons does this career statist, and now racist, have?”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
June 1st, 2008 at 6:18 pm
RussellK, only immediate withdrawal from Iraq is acceptable. “As soon as possible” is too vague.
June 1st, 2008 at 6:54 pm
Kenny,
Did you know that a peanut is, in fact, not a nut at all? The differences between a peanut and a nut are really quite extraordinary. For instance, a peanut is contained in a pod, but a nut is encased in a shell. Im getting the chills just thinking about it
June 1st, 2008 at 8:18 pm
JT: “Kenny, I don’t think Americans on this site need political advice from an Englishman. Thanks though.”
Kenny: “I am not English.”
Okay, so you just live in England. Regardless, I think you’re kind of far removed from the political scene in America to be dispensing advice.
June 1st, 2008 at 10:14 pm
If Barr were flip-flopping on issues like the Iraq war, then I would take exception. But, he hasn’t. He simply changed his viewpoint and has taken a stand on that issue.
June 1st, 2008 at 10:23 pm
Kenny, Ron Paul is not the standardbearer for libertarianism for the RLC. That title goes to Cong. Jeff Flake of Arizona who has consistently scored Number One. Notice you neglected to mention Flake.
Barr’s relationship with the RLC is a bit complicated. We had a split in the RLC in the early 2000s when the GA RLC went with Linder over Barr, while the National RLC wanted to go with Barr. Talk to any RLCer and they’ll tell you, it wasn’t one of the brightest moments in the groups’ history.
So, in a way, you can’t blame Barr for keeping an arm’s distance from the RLC. And also, he wasn’t quite as libertarian in Congress, as he is now. He’s changed on a number of issues, including drug legalization.
Finally, you’re right, McCain does score well on RLC indexes. But that’s saying a lot for McCain. It doesn’t necessarily mean a negative for Barr.
Eric Dondero, Founder
Republican Liberty Caucus
June 1st, 2008 at 11:11 pm
Which is called flip-flopping. Nice try, though.
June 2nd, 2008 at 12:26 am
“Ron Paul is not the standardbearer for libertarianism for the RLC…......... McCain does score well on RLC indexes. But that’s saying a lot for McCain.
-Dondero
That’s not saying much about the RLC. The Philosophies of Libertarianism and Republicanism are growing apart, mostly because of the GOP’s trend toward statism. The RLC is obsolete. Good riddance.
“Dondero Rittberg’s oft advanced claim to have founded the RLC is hotly disputed by the current leadership. Dondero Rittberg is no longer connected with the organization.”
-HAHA
Quit grasping at relevance. Nobody wants anything to do with your twisted view of Libertarianism.
June 2nd, 2008 at 5:12 am
Thanks to Eric for explaining the RLC split. I genuinely hope that Barr does prove his libertarian credentials during the campaign.
My main beef is with his supporters who seem delight in smearing, taunting and antagonizing radicals who supported other candidates – both before and after the convention. It is no surprise that radicals, many with years of loyal support for the party, have returned the hostility. They will not put up with Rovian bully tactics and are naturally reluctant to contribute to Barr’s campaign.
June 2nd, 2008 at 3:47 pm
I was also wondering if Ron Paul did or didnt endorse Barr? How does Paul feel about the Barr Root ticket. How does Paul feel about Wayne Root.? Did Paul endorse or oppose Root? IS Paul thinking about a vp spot with Barr? Ive been looking everywhere for this info. Can find it. They have a couple of videos at www.BarrRoot.com but nothing about Paul. The Barr/Root ticket is going to fail without paul. I read an article about Ron Paul maybe being a vp or vice ( veep ) on the libertarian ticket BarRoot? Would this mean the LP will drop Root and run Bar and Ron Paul? Its a pretty good article but I dont know how true it is. Here is the Link www.BarrRoot08.com