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	<title>Comments on: Bob Barr Media Appearances</title>
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		<title>by: John Lowell</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/06/04/bob-barr-media-appearances/#comment-635408</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 00:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>To anyone that had been interested,

The inquiry I made yesterday at the Barr blog concerning whether Barr actually paid fot the abortion undergone by his former wife has gone unanswered. While a non-response isn't conclusive of payment it doesn't clear the air either. For me, no denial means no vote. Looks like I'll be staying home on election day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>To anyone that had been interested,</p>
	<p>The inquiry I made yesterday at the Barr blog concerning whether Barr actually paid fot the abortion undergone by his former wife has gone unanswered. While a non-response isn&#8217;t conclusive of payment it doesn&#8217;t clear the air either. For me, no denial means no vote. Looks like I&#8217;ll be staying home on election day.</p>
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		<title>by: John Lowell</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/06/04/bob-barr-media-appearances/#comment-635403</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 00:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/06/04/bob-barr-media-appearances/#comment-635403</guid>
					<description>hf,

With all respect to you personally, I repeat, you manage to wrap yourself up in a whole series of irrelevant abstractions. Again, the question here is not one of legalities or entitlements but one which moral theology reduces to a question of formal cooperation in the sin of another. If Barr signs the check paying for the abortion, he's formally cooperative, if he doesn't, he isn't, its that simple. I couldn't give a hoot less about what's &quot;legal&quot; or what some institution's expectations might be, I'm concerned about what's moral. I won't vote for a man who's found formally cooperative in an act of murder, its that simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>hf,</p>
	<p>With all respect to you personally, I repeat, you manage to wrap yourself up in a whole series of irrelevant abstractions. Again, the question here is not one of legalities or entitlements but one which moral theology reduces to a question of formal cooperation in the sin of another. If Barr signs the check paying for the abortion, he&#8217;s formally cooperative, if he doesn&#8217;t, he isn&#8217;t, its that simple. I couldn&#8217;t give a hoot less about what&#8217;s &#8220;legal&#8221; or what some institution&#8217;s expectations might be, I&#8217;m concerned about what&#8217;s moral. I won&#8217;t vote for a man who&#8217;s found formally cooperative in an act of murder, its that simple.</p>
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		<title>by: Eric Dondero</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/06/04/bob-barr-media-appearances/#comment-634348</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 12:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/06/04/bob-barr-media-appearances/#comment-634348</guid>
					<description>Let's not forget that Wayne Root is Bob Barr's running mate.  Wayne Root is solidly Pro-Choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Let&#8217;s not forget that Wayne Root is Bob Barr&#8217;s running mate.  Wayne Root is solidly Pro-Choice.</p>
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		<title>by: hf</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/06/04/bob-barr-media-appearances/#comment-634091</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 08:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/06/04/bob-barr-media-appearances/#comment-634091</guid>
					<description>Or to put it in a less contentious way - a person can't walk into a business, order up and accept a legally offered service, and then turn around and say they have a moral objection to paying.   Should we allow the dodge of &quot;my husband has the checkbook and he has a moral objection&quot;? 

Everytime you or I send in our tax bill we are &quot;signing the check&quot; for torture camps, the Waco raid, etc.   Perhaps your theory is that the *percentage* of the check that goes to the immoral purpose makes the critical moral difference?  We're obligated to pay, so was Barr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Or to put it in a less contentious way &#8211; a person can&#8217;t walk into a business, order up and accept a legally offered service, and then turn around and say they have a moral objection to paying.   Should we allow the dodge of &#8220;my husband has the checkbook and he has a moral objection&#8221;?</p>
	<p>Everytime you or I send in our tax bill we are &#8220;signing the check&#8221; for torture camps, the Waco raid, etc.   Perhaps your theory is that the <strong>percentage</strong> of the check that goes to the immoral purpose makes the critical moral difference?  We&#8217;re obligated to pay, so was Barr.</p>
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		<title>by: hf</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/06/04/bob-barr-media-appearances/#comment-634073</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 07:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/06/04/bob-barr-media-appearances/#comment-634073</guid>
					<description>John-

Support the drowning, no.  Pay the water company, yes.

The point is that the check for medical services (or murder if you prefer) isn't relevant.  You know that any court, including one run by Judge Ten Commandments himself, would say that the hospital needs to get paid, because currently the service if pefectly legal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>John-</p>
	<p>Support the drowning, no.  Pay the water company, yes.</p>
	<p>The point is that the check for medical services (or murder if you prefer) isn&#8217;t relevant.  You know that any court, including one run by Judge Ten Commandments himself, would say that the hospital needs to get paid, because currently the service if pefectly legal.</p>
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		<title>by: John Lowell</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/06/04/bob-barr-media-appearances/#comment-633923</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 05:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/06/04/bob-barr-media-appearances/#comment-633923</guid>
					<description>hf,

&quot;Wives do things you disagree with; once it’s done you support them.&quot;

That's rather facile. If your wife drowned your kids in the bathtub, you'd support her? 

&quot;... and if they’re married they’re jointly responsible for the bill.&quot;

Its a question of who signed the check, not some abstract consideration of banking law.  Come on now, get serious, there are people here honestly concerned that they may be voting for someone that's been an accomplice to murder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>hf,</p>
	<p>&#8220;Wives do things you disagree with; once it&#8217;s done you support them.&#8221;</p>
	<p>That&#8217;s rather facile. If your wife drowned your kids in the bathtub, you&#8217;d support her?</p>
	<p>&#8220;... and if they&#8217;re married they&#8217;re jointly responsible for the bill.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Its a question of who signed the check, not some abstract consideration of banking law.  Come on now, get serious, there are people here honestly concerned that they may be voting for someone that&#8217;s been an accomplice to murder.</p>
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		<title>by: disinter</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/06/04/bob-barr-media-appearances/#comment-633909</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 05:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/06/04/bob-barr-media-appearances/#comment-633909</guid>
					<description>&quot;Wilson committed acts that the people of Georgia had determined through their lawful, elected representatives across the state—Republican and Democrat, black and white, rural and urban—should be punished.&quot;
 
The act? The 17-year old Wilson got a blow job from a 15-year old girl. Barr was upset because a judge reduced Wilson's 10-year sentence.
 
http://www.conservative.org/columnists/barr/070704bb.htm

Barr was so upset by this that he wrote 2 articles about it in the 
Atlanta Journal-Constitution - continually referring to Wilson as 
a &quot;child molester&quot; and his &quot;hedonistic sex acts&quot;. This case and many 
others like it are just a reminder why Mary Ruwart was right about &quot;age 
of consent&quot; laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Wilson committed acts that the people of Georgia had determined through their lawful, elected representatives across the state&#8212;Republican and Democrat, black and white, rural and urban&#8212;should be punished.&#8221;</p>
	<p>The act? The 17-year old Wilson got a blow job from a 15-year old girl. Barr was upset because a judge reduced Wilson&#8217;s 10-year sentence.</p>
	<p><a href='http://www.conservative.org/columnists/barr/070704bb.htm' rel='nofollow'>http://www.conservative.org/columnists/barr/070704bb.htm</a></p>
	<p>Barr was so upset by this that he wrote 2 articles about it in the<br />
Atlanta Journal-Constitution &#8211; continually referring to Wilson as<br />
a &#8220;child molester&#8221; and his &#8220;hedonistic sex acts&#8221;. This case and many<br />
others like it are just a reminder why Mary Ruwart was right about &#8220;age<br />
of consent&#8221; laws.</p>
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		<title>by: David Tomlin</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/06/04/bob-barr-media-appearances/#comment-633820</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 03:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/06/04/bob-barr-media-appearances/#comment-633820</guid>
					<description>I listened to a few minutes of the interview, until I got bored with Barr's long-winded blather. I thought the interviewer was asking serious questions and Barr was evading them.

It's interesting to note that Ayn Rand would have agreed with the interviewer about the relationship between political and metaphysical philosophy. Barr's position, that he agrees with Rand's philosophy of government and doesn't care what she thought about the existence of God, is exactly the kind of thing Rand criticized about libertarians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I listened to a few minutes of the interview, until I got bored with Barr&#8217;s long-winded blather. I thought the interviewer was asking serious questions and Barr was evading them.</p>
	<p>It&#8217;s interesting to note that Ayn Rand would have agreed with the interviewer about the relationship between political and metaphysical philosophy. Barr&#8217;s position, that he agrees with Rand&#8217;s philosophy of government and doesn&#8217;t care what she thought about the existence of God, is exactly the kind of thing Rand criticized about libertarians.</p>
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		<title>by: hf</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/06/04/bob-barr-media-appearances/#comment-633819</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 03:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/06/04/bob-barr-media-appearances/#comment-633819</guid>
					<description>Nothing difficult to understand about this Barr-abortion business, for anyone who's actually been married.  Wives do things you disagree with; once it's done you support them.  He couldn't stop his wife from getting an abortion, and if they're married they're jointly responsible for the bill.  Cheating the hospital after the thing was done wouldn't improve his moral position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Nothing difficult to understand about this Barr-abortion business, for anyone who&#8217;s actually been married.  Wives do things you disagree with; once it&#8217;s done you support them.  He couldn&#8217;t stop his wife from getting an abortion, and if they&#8217;re married they&#8217;re jointly responsible for the bill.  Cheating the hospital after the thing was done wouldn&#8217;t improve his moral position.</p>
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		<title>by: David Tomlin</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/06/04/bob-barr-media-appearances/#comment-633797</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 02:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/06/04/bob-barr-media-appearances/#comment-633797</guid>
					<description>I thought the smearing of Mary Ruwart would take a rest after she lost the nomination. I should have known better.

This has already been argued endlessly, at this site and elsewhere. For the record, Timothy West's characterization of her views is a tendentious distortion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I thought the smearing of Mary Ruwart would take a rest after she lost the nomination. I should have known better.</p>
	<p>This has already been argued endlessly, at this site and elsewhere. For the record, Timothy West&#8217;s characterization of her views is a tendentious distortion.</p>
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		<title>by: C. Al Currier</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/06/04/bob-barr-media-appearances/#comment-633652</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
the lp is the house of extreme&lt;i&gt;  timothy west says&lt;/i&gt; 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In 1973 I was an EXTREME-anti-amtrak-democrat looking for EXTREME political party to stop the EXTREME subsidies to autos, highways and pavement that come from the D&amp;#38;R's.  What I found was a LP party that wants to teach me how to be an atheist and quote really, really dead Greek floss-fers like ha ha Heir Stot Tull.

The Green Party noticed that in Denver this year,  Dr. Ruwart had practical answers to these kind of problems (transportation), but the LP bloggers, for the most part would rather sensationalize dumb stuff than look for practical solutions to our everyday problems.

As the price of gas goes up Mr. West, get scared.  Very scared.
While you scrounge for money for gas, I'll now just quote ha ha Heir Stot Tull with ee, ee,  eekwaaashuns like, well ah ah A eekweels ah ah A.

Of course I agree with you as you say &lt;i&gt;It’s just bizarre&lt;/i&gt;!</description>
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the lp is the house of extreme<i>  timothy west says</i><br />
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	<p>In 1973 I was an <span class="caps">EXTREME</span>-anti-amtrak-democrat looking for <span class="caps">EXTREME</span> political party to stop the <span class="caps">EXTREME</span> subsidies to autos, highways and pavement that come from the D&#038;R&#8217;s.  What I found was a LP party that wants to teach me how to be an atheist and quote really, really dead Greek floss-fers like ha ha Heir Stot Tull.</p>
	<p>The Green Party noticed that in Denver this year,  Dr. Ruwart had practical answers to these kind of problems (transportation), but the LP bloggers, for the most part would rather sensationalize dumb stuff than look for practical solutions to our everyday problems.</p>
	<p>As the price of gas goes up Mr. West, get scared.  Very scared.<br />
While you scrounge for money for gas, I&#8217;ll now just quote ha ha Heir Stot Tull with ee, ee,  eekwaaashuns like, well ah ah A eekweels ah ah A.</p>
	<p>Of course I agree with you as you say <i>It&#8217;s just bizarre</i>!</p>
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		<title>by: timothy west</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/06/04/bob-barr-media-appearances/#comment-633605</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/06/04/bob-barr-media-appearances/#comment-633605</guid>
					<description>Man some of my fellow Libertarians are strange people.

Criminalizing the murder of an unborn human = extreme
Not wanting to outlaw child porn = normal

the lp is the *house of extreme*. They created it so they could have a place to play.

Shane increased membership 25% year over year, and yet gets fired because he calls for increased communication between law enforcement to help put child sex predators behind bars, the very definition of criminal FORCE and victim.

and LP nutz respond by almost nominating Ruwart, who defends child-adult sex as a personal choice and somehow believes - really believes, that little kids are capable of making an informed decisions about such matters, and that the nomination of someone who believes this is somehow &quot;principled&quot; rather than scary as hell. 

It's just bizarre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Man some of my fellow Libertarians are strange people.</p>
	<p>Criminalizing the murder of an unborn human = extreme<br />
Not wanting to outlaw child porn = normal</p>
	<p>the lp is the <strong>house of extreme</strong>. They created it so they could have a place to play.</p>
	<p>Shane increased membership 25% year over year, and yet gets fired because he calls for increased communication between law enforcement to help put child sex predators behind bars, the very definition of criminal <span class="caps">FORCE</span> and victim.</p>
	<p>and LP nutz respond by almost nominating Ruwart, who defends child-adult sex as a personal choice and somehow believes &#8211; really believes, that little kids are capable of making an informed decisions about such matters, and that the nomination of someone who believes this is somehow &#8220;principled&#8221; rather than scary as hell.</p>
	<p>It&#8217;s just bizarre.</p>
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		<title>by: C. Al Currier</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/06/04/bob-barr-media-appearances/#comment-633604</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/06/04/bob-barr-media-appearances/#comment-633604</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Ron Paul denials of newsletter racist statements&lt;i&gt; --John Lowell Says &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

1)  I do not believe that Ron Paul is a racist.  
2)  I do not believe that Ron Paul was a racist.
3)  The racist statements in his newsletter did not strike me as original stuff.  They reminded me of the same racist statements I read in the MSM (LA Times  and talk radio) in the LA area at the same time periods.  Some of those racist statements about blacks were make by blacks and concerned racist events such as riots in a racist place, Los Angeles.  Mr. Paul's newsletter did not mince words, but were not original either.
4)  More ado was made about those newsletters than what they deserve.
5)  I think the actual source of the newsletters (the writer) is a prominent LP'er and Mr. Paul is smart in keeping a certain distance from the LP and it's racist factions.

RE: Lawyers
I have an deep hatred for lawyers.  &quot;Distrust'  just is not a strong enough a word. 
My advice to lawyers: 
Don't ever get divorced, or I'm gonna side with your ex, even if it hurts.</description>
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<blockquote>Ron Paul denials of newsletter racist statements<i>&#8212;John Lowell Says </i></blockquote></p>
	<p>1)  I do not believe that Ron Paul is a racist.<br />
2)  I do not believe that Ron Paul was a racist.<br />
3)  The racist statements in his newsletter did not strike me as original stuff.  They reminded me of the same racist statements I read in the <span class="caps">MSM </span>(LA Times  and talk radio) in the LA area at the same time periods.  Some of those racist statements about blacks were make by blacks and concerned racist events such as riots in a racist place, Los Angeles.  Mr. Paul&#8217;s newsletter did not mince words, but were not original either.<br />
4)  More ado was made about those newsletters than what they deserve.<br />
5)  I think the actual source of the newsletters (the writer) is a prominent LP&#8217;er and Mr. Paul is smart in keeping a certain distance from the LP and it&#8217;s racist factions.</p>
	<p>RE: Lawyers<br />
I have an deep hatred for lawyers.  &#8220;Distrust&#8217;  just is not a strong enough a word.<br />
My advice to lawyers:<br />
Don&#8217;t ever get divorced, or I&#8217;m gonna side with your ex, even if it hurts.</p>
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		<title>by: GREEN DAD</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/06/04/bob-barr-media-appearances/#comment-633583</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/06/04/bob-barr-media-appearances/#comment-633583</guid>
					<description>let's all donate again even $10 to www.bobbarr2008.com I'm seeing a lot of McCain and Obama bumper stickers , please get your Barr bumper stickers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>let&#8217;s all donate again even $10 to <a href='http://www.bobbarr2008.com' rel='nofollow'>www.bobbarr2008.com</a> I&#8217;m seeing a lot of McCain and Obama bumper stickers , please get your Barr bumper stickers</p>
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		<title>by: DrGonzo</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/06/04/bob-barr-media-appearances/#comment-633563</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/06/04/bob-barr-media-appearances/#comment-633563</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;But I cannot and will not support a candidate who takes such an extremist position on this issue.&lt;/i&gt;

Man some of my fellow Libertarians are strange people.

Criminalizing the murder of an unborn human = extreme
Not wanting to outlaw child porn = normal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>But I cannot and will not support a candidate who takes such an extremist position on this issue.</i></p>
	<p>Man some of my fellow Libertarians are strange people.</p>
	<p>Criminalizing the murder of an unborn human = extreme<br />
Not wanting to outlaw child porn = normal</p>
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