Comparing Ron Paul and Bob Barr on the crucial issues of the day

Non-interventionism

Ron Paul: “Non-interventionism is not isolationism. Non-intervention simply means America does not interfere militarily, financially, or covertly in the internal affairs of other nations. It does not we that we isolate ourselves; on the contrary, our founders advocated open trade, travel, communication, and diplomacy with other nations.” – source

Bob Barr: “Our National Defense policy must renew a commitment to non-intervention. We are not the world’s police force and our long, yet recently tarnished, tradition of respecting the sovereignty of other nations is necessary, not from only a moral standpoint, but to regain the respect of the world as a principled and peaceful nation.” – source

Iraq

Ron Paul: “The sooner we withdraw the better. The invasion and continued US occupation has strengthened both Iran and Al-Qaeda in the region. Continuing down the road of a failed policy will only cost more money we do not have and more lives that should not be sacrificed. Interventionism has produced one disaster after another. It is time we return to a non-interventionist foreign policy that emphasizes peaceful trade and travel and no entangling alliances. We can begin by withdrawing from Iraq immediately.” – source

Bob Barr: “I believe the occupation of Iraq—where we have a presence in a foreign country that effectively manages that country and provides the fundamental basis on which that country and government exists and operates—is not something that is sound policy and is not consistent with the historical norms of a national defense policy. So I think that we need to—and I would as president—begin immediately and significantly drawing down our military and economic presence in Iraq for two reasons: One, because it is not in our interest to nation-build or to occupy foreign lands and, secondly, if we would ever wish to have the Iraqi government take responsibility for its own affairs, we necessarily have to remove the security blanket that right now makes it very easy for them not to do so. In other words, they are never going to assume responsibility for their own affairs as long as we are there propping them up.” – source

Taxes and spending

Ron Paul: “A pure consumption tax like the Fair Tax would be better than the current system only if we truly did away with the income tax by repealing the 16th amendment. Otherwise, we could end up with both the income tax and a national sales tax. A consumption tax also provides more transparency and less complexity. But the real issue is total spending by government, not tax reform.” – source

Bob Barr: “Cutting spending would allow America to implement real tax reform. Our goal should be to reduce both the tax burden on Americans and the intrusion in their lives resulting from IRS enforcement of the income tax. One of the best approaches would be to adopt some form of a consumption tax, like a national sales tax, replacing the Internal Revenue Service and all federal income taxes as well as payroll taxes.

“It is not enough to eliminate the income tax. We also must repeal the 16th amendment, which authorizes Congress to levy an income tax. Without doing so, there would be an ever-present danger that a future Congress would attempt to bring back the income tax on top of the Fair Tax or any other alternative to the income tax. ” – source

Federal Reserve

Ron Paul: “The greatest threat facing America today is not terrorism, or foreign economic competition, or illegal immigration. The greatest threat facing America today is the disastrous fiscal policies of our own government, marked by shameless deficit spending and Federal Reserve currency devaluation. It is this one-two punch—Congress spending more than it can tax or borrow, and the Fed printing money to make up the difference—that threatens to impoverish us by further destroying the value of our dollars.” – source

Bob Barr: “If I could wave a magic wand and the Federal Reserve Bank would disappear tomorrow, I would do so. It’s a group of unelected governors that are not answerable to or accountable to the people of this country and yet they wield considerable influence over the economy by basically setting rates at which banks and other financial institutions can loan money. And they have built up, you know, huge reserves themselves that they can then dole out as they’re doing – as they did recently with Bear Stearns to prop up as failing, what they see as failing investment houses, for example.” – source

Individual rights

Ron Paul: “States, not the federal government, were charged with protecting individuals against criminal force and fraud. For the first time, a government was created solely to protect the rights, liberties, and property of its citizens. Any government coercion beyond that necessary to secure those rights was forbidden, both through the Bill of Rights and the doctrine of strictly enumerated powers.” – source

Bob Barr: “The United States was created for the purpose of securing the liberties of its people. The colonists fled oppressive old world governments. The nation’s founders drafted the Constitution to sharply limit the federal government’s powers. The horrors perpetrated by the many collectivist tyrannies of the 20th Century demonstrate that the danger of government, any government, violating individual liberty is greater today than when America was founded.” – source

Patriot Act

Ron Paul: “The Patriot Act waters down the Fourth amendment by expanding the federal government’s ability to use wiretaps without judicial oversight. The requirement of a search warrant and probable cause strikes a balance between effective law enforcement and civil liberties. Any attempt to dilute the warrant requirement threatens innocent citizens with a loss of their liberty. This is particularly true of provisions that allow for issuance of nationwide search warrants that are not specific to any given location, nor subject to any local judicial oversight.

“The Act makes it far easier for the government to monitor your internet usage by adopting a lower standard than probable cause for intercepting e-mails and internet communications. I wonder how my congressional colleagues would feel if all of their e-mail headings and the names of the web sites they visited were available to law enforcement upon a showing of mere ‘relevance.’” – source

Bob Barr: “The Fourth Amendment to the Constitution stands for the fundamental principle that the government cannot gather evidence against a person unless it has some tangible reason to believe that the person has violated the law (and that could include associating with terrorists). This reflects the principle that we are each, as citizens in a free society, clothed with a ‘sphere of privacy’ that the government cannot ‘pierce’ without a reason. If we were to take the position, reflected in provisions in the USA PATRIOT Act, that the government can invade our privacy and gather evidence that can be used against us based on no suspicion whatsoever that we’ve done anything wrong, but simply because the government wants to gather evidence as part of some generalized, ‘anti-terrorism’ or ‘foreign intelligence’ investigation, then we will have rendered that Fourth Amendment principle essentially meaningless. That is why this debate is so important.

“The notion that the government can gather evidence based on reasonable suspicion that a person has violated the law, also applies to a suspicion that the person is suspected of operating as an ‘agent of a foreign power’ (including a terrorist organization). This is appropriate; but in such a case also, the government should be held to the standard that it must first have some individualized suspicion that a person is an agent of a foreign power, and not that the government is on a fishing expedition.” – source

Real ID

Ron Paul: “We must stop the move toward a national ID card system. All states are preparing to issue new driver’s licenses embedded with “standard identifier” data – a national ID. A national ID with new tracking technologies means we’re heading into an Orwellian world of no privacy. I voted against the Real ID Act in March of 2005.” – source

Bob Barr: “Big Government advocates are personified by the current Bush administration, favoring central control of virtually every facet of activity in our society, from education to transportation and from the plumbing in our bathrooms to the bulbs in our lamps. While the Real ID debate shares some elements with its sister debate concerning voter ID, mixing the two as if two sides of the same coin dilutes the host of fundamental constitutional concerns and responsibilities affected by the Real ID Act program now being forced down the throats of the states.” – source

War on Drugs

Ron Paul: “I would [decriminalize drugs/medical marijuana], at the federal level. I don’t have control over the states. And that’s why the Constitution’s there.” – source

Bob Barr: “Today, I can reflect on my efforts and see no progress in stopping the widespread use of drugs. I’ll even argue that America’s drug problem is larger today than it was when Richard Nixon first coined the phrase, ‘War on Drugs,’ in 1972.

“America’s drug problem is only compounded by the vast amounts of money directed at this ongoing battle. In 2005, more than $12 billion dollars was spent on federal drug enforcement efforts while another $30 billion was spent to incarcerate non-violent drug offenders.

“The result of spending all of those taxpayer’s dollars? We now have a huge incarceration tab for non-violent drug offenders and, at most, a 30% interception rate of hard drugs. We are also now plagued with the meth labs that are popping up like poisonous mushrooms across the country.

“While it is clear the War on Drugs has been a failure, it is not enough to simply acknowledge that reality.” – source

More Ron Paul and Bob Barr goodness here. Many thanks to the dedicated Ron Paul/Bob Barr supporters who helped compile this list.

20 Responses to “Comparing Ron Paul and Bob Barr on the crucial issues of the day”

  1. Adam Freeman Says:

    interesting…

  2. Kalim Kassam Says:

    I don’t think that you have a very representative quotation from Ron Paul on taxation. This one better reflects his common campaign refrain that he would “end the income tax and replace it with nothing.”

    “Tax policy in this country hurts taxpayers twice – once when they pay taxes, and then when the government spends the money. Americans are sick and tired of the financial burden and the endless forms to fill out. To add insult to injury, after collecting this money the government does some very detrimental things to the economy.
    The burden of complying with the income tax is tremendous. Since its inception in 1913, the tax code has gone from 400 pages to over 67,000. The Tax Foundation estimates that around $265 billion dollars and 6 billion hours are spent just on compliance. That expense amounts to about 22 cents of every dollar the IRS collects. Imagine the boon to the economy if we spent that time and money expanding our businesses and creating jobs!
    Aside from the direct loss of money and productivity, the funds from the income tax enable the government to do some very destructive things, such as vastly over-regulating economic activity, making it difficult to earn money in the first place. The federal government funds over 50 agencies, departments and commissions that formulate rules and regulations. These bureaucracies operate with little to no oversight from the people or Congress and generate around 4,000 new rules every year and operate at a cost of about 40 billion dollars. There are some 75,000 pages of regulations in the Federal Register that Americans are expected to know and abide by. Complying with these governmental regulations costs American businesses more than one trillion dollars per year, according to a study by Mark Crain for the Small Business Administration. This complicated system drives production to other countries and shrinks our job market here at home.
    Big government is destructive when it takes your money and when it spends it. There is no economic benefit to supporting a government sector as massive as ours. In fact, this country thrived for well over 100 years without an income tax. Today, if you took away the income tax, the government would still have revenue from other sources equal to total government spending in 1990, when government was still too big. $1.2 trillion should be more than enough to fund a government operating within its constitutional confines, and that is exactly what we need to get back to.
    I have introduced legislation many times to abolish the IRS and the income tax. It is fundamentally un-American to require taxpayers to testify against themselves and be considered guilty until proven innocent. Abolishing the IRS altogether would trigger an avalanche of real growth in the economy. ”

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul456.html

    I was very interested to see Rep. Barr’s critiques of the Federal Reserve. I had read something similar before, but didn’t recall where. Of course, Bob Barr doesn’t mention the “inflation tax” or the business cycle implications of central banking, but he’s on the right track. I have little doubt that President Barr would give Ron Paul a cabinet level post in his administration and task him with phasing out the Federal Reserve.

  3. Haigh Says:

    The movement is sitting on a quantum leap forward if these two rock stars will start working more closely together. How about a joint press release in which Ron Paul accepts an offer to become Secretary of State in a Barr administration?
    That does not preclude Paul from doing the same with Baldwin.
    These guys need to get creative and show some unity.

  4. Clark Says:

    BOBO MULE-LOPED: “...One of the best approaches would be to adopt some form of a consumption tax, like a national sales tax, replacing the Internal Revenue Service and all federal income taxes as well as payroll taxes…” (END)

    ...republicrats, i assert that an honest understanding of today’s ‘money’ reveals that there truly is no honest need to ‘tax’ us ‘directly’ i.e. “income taxation,” national stinking, fucking, sales tax, etceterot….necessitating the need for countless, tragic, wasted hours, trees, more mailmen etc. ad goddamned nauseam…as we are coerced into providing minions of boondoggling, Republicrat monetary ignoramusses, bean-counter$, etc. with our (supposedly ‘private’) business/economic diarie$..

    In other words, ‘the government’ could surely create all ‘the money’ they need out of thin air—just like the $hady ‘commercial bank$ters’-CHARTERED/CREATED/PROTECTED BY/ETC. “GOVERNMENT”-do today!—and fucking leave the rest of us alone and happier!!..thus ‘taxing’ us ‘indirectly’..and saving us from the hideous spectacle of ‘income taxation,’ national stinking, fucking, sales tax, etc. and all the abomination that entail$!..

    ..and when some poor pitiful goddamned republicrat fool, who doesn’t even know what ‘a dollar’ is, parrots to me, ‘That would be inflationary, Clark’..i ask the poor pitiful goddamned republicrat fool, ‘why is ‘my’ way (indirectly) any more ‘inflationary’ than ‘taxing people/businesses/etc. (directly) who then pass that ‘expense,’ etc. on to the customer ‘hidden’ in the prices of ‘products!’

    (as one handsome bastard put it, “no place to hide for you republicrats who would work your cheeseburger tunnels as to any things ‘economic’..yourselves not know so much as what a fucking ‘dollar’ is!..) ;o)

    ..have a good day!..

  5. Dan Says:

    Great research and compliation there. There is one more you can add. Habeus Corpus. I believe Barr mentioned it in the Beck interview.

  6. Chuck Says:

    Barr is right on except for the Fair Tax, but I think he is rethinking that and rightfully back pedaling. He is absolutely right that the more important thing is to cut spending, and the method of taxation is secondary. Ron Paul’s “replace it with nothing” is nice and all, but people justifiably question that since it is not realistic to achieve even in an 8 year two-term cycle. I’m happy with Barr’s softening of the rhetoric.

  7. Ron Moss Says:

    A deal is a deal. When our forefathers set up their agent government to represent their common interests, and called it the constitution. they limited that agent with certain restrictions, called the “BIll of Rights”. That Bill as the “Deal” was made in good faith. Ron Paul just wants to hold them to it. That was the deal.

  8. David Tomlin Says:

    Non-interventionism

    Bob Barr on Glen Beck, June 6, 2008

    We need to be downsizing significantly. Does that mean pulling every U.S. armed forces personnel from everywhere in the world immediately? Absolutely not. We have to maintain a presence sufficient to defend our country and to defend our interests.

    Iraq

    Bob Barr on Night Talk Bloomberg Channel, June 9, 2008

    Q: Would you get the troops out of there immediately, or close to it?

    Barr: Close to it. I think it would be irresponsible to telegraph to our adversaries exactly when and how we would withdraw.

  9. disinter Says:

    Barf flip-flops to appease the gullible barfers… and the barfers fall for it.

  10. NateF. Says:

    Bob Barr is the real world version of Ron Paul.

  11. David K. Williams, Jr. Says:

    disinter wrote:

    “Barf flip-flops to appease the gullible barfers… and the barfers fall for it.”

    Yep, Barr left the Republican Party so he could ride the tremendous coattails of the LP to victory!

  12. Brad F Says:

    Disinter never has anything but vomit comments to say

  13. Zod Says:

    Which came first, the massive overspending or the income taxes?

    It all went down in 1913:
    February 3 – Congress passes the 16th Amendment.
    October 2 – Congress passe the Revenue Act.
    December 23 – Congress passes the Federal Reserve Act.

    Don’t you see? It was necessary for Congress to have a guarenteed source of revenue as collateral for borrowing money. Income taxes provide that collateral. So, while it’s true that revenue from taxes has nothing to do with federal spending, it has everything to do with federal debt.

    The Fair tax would eliminate income taxes and effectively eliminating Congress’s gaurenteed collateral thereby cutting it off from it’s foreign and domestic lenders.

  14. David Tomlin Says:

    Rocky Mountain News

    May 22, 2008

    Bob Barr: As President I would completely re-orient federal law enforcement priorities, that currently are skewed far too much against marijuana possession, and would consider all – and I do mean all – options.

    Q: [I]f you are elected president of the United States, would you consider using U.S. military to intervene in Central and South America to stop drug traffickers?

    Bob Barr: I would consider the use of US military in Central and S. America only if there were a clear and present threat to identifiable and appropriate US personnel, agencies, or security interests.

    The Washington Times
    Column by Bob Barr
    June 9, 2007

    As the world’s largest producer by far of cocaine, Colombia occupies a pivotal position in the U.S. effort to stem the tide of illicit drug trafficking in our country. While his predecessors offered lip-service and inconsistent support for American law enforcement’s efforts to seriously limit the cocaine coming to the U.S. from Colombia, President Uribe literally has placed his own life in danger by going after the drug production and financing networks that have taken hold in his country over the last four decades.

    Recognizing Colombia’s essential role in our country’s campaign against illicit trafficking in cocaine, the Bush administration and prior Congresses have responded to Mr. Uribe’s efforts by funding “Plan Colombia” to the tune over its seven-year lifespan of more than $5.0 billion. . . . If Congress truly wants the plan work better, the solution would be not to dry up funding but to provide more flexibility for its implementation.

  15. Jim Peterson Says:

    I supported Ron Paul but I disagreed with him on the need for the initial part of Operation Iraqi Freedom and his taking such a strong position against abortion (a suicide position when one wants the votes of a lot of women). Most countries have a workable compromise on abortion that causes abortion rates to be much lower than they are in the Roe vs Wade USA.

    I also had a problem with his extremist, unrealistic attitude on a lot of things from abolishing the Fed to eliminating the income tax seemingly immediately. He needed to have presented a timetable for everything except the Iraq withdrawal (I agree with Barr that you don’t telegraph to enemies exactly when you will do something like that).

    The reason I want Ron Paul or Barr is because they (Paul and Tancredo at least) opposed new laws like VAWA and IMBRA, the former which allows women to falsely accuse men of violence to clean up financially or gain instant US residency documents…and the latter of which forces dating websites to background check Americans before they are allowed to say hello to foreigners.

    So…if Barr can show that he is more realistic on the issues while otherwise being close to Ron Paul…I will vote for him and work for him in Europe.

  16. Maxwell Says:

    Bob Barr is looking to be a mighty fine candidate!

    I would love for this election year to be crazy like in the movies… Obama’s rise in popularity and then a meteoric crash, McCain mostly ignored and debated even by his own party, and the whole nation catches a contageous Bob Barr fever – he’d rate high in the polls, shine in the debates, and then people across the country would say, “Heck, I’m voting for Barr!” and then… shockingly… (drum roll please)... he would WIN!!

  17. Mitchell Abeln Says:

    The Revolution Continues on July 2nd 2008,
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  18. Tom Krop Says:

    The problem the Libertarian party has is the mind set of the general public.
    Libertarian political thoughts are based on logic and education. The vast majority ’s thoughts are based on emotion, combined with ignorance and apathy.

    The longest journey begins with the first step. One can recite the alphabet

    A,Z instead of A throughZ. Too many people think the Libertarian Party is radical, because they know zero, zip, nada, about the history of this country or it’s form of government. Rather than trying to fix everything thats wrong in one shot is foolish. We need to evaluate how solving one problem will cure others. I suggest the FairTax as the first step. It’s passage will create a domino effect that will cure many other problems.

  19. td Says:

    Ron Paul did more than just run a revolutionary campaign. He jolted many sleeping Americans into awareness. People are asking questions, and the Democrats and Republicans aren’t answering them. The LP and others are.
    Bob Barr is turning out to be the candidate representing a much needed step in the right direction.

    He has my vote.

  20. Jake Witmer Says:

    I will vote for Barr in order to make it easier for the LP (and Barr’s VP Wayne Root) to gain ballot access in 2012, 2016, and 2020. I will only promote Barr if he becomes a proponent of jury rights (judges informing juries and defense lawyers of their right to jury nullification of law).

    Still, the biggest issue of them all is our enslavement to the federal reserve system. I’m glad to see Barr making a statement about that…

    Read “The Creature from Jekyll Island” for more details about the Fed.

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