Comments on: Libertarian Party says ‘Iran should not be the new Iraq’ http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/04/libertarian-party-says-%e2%80%98iran-should-not-be-the-new-iraq%e2%80%99/ Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:46:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.3 by: Ayn R. Key http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/04/libertarian-party-says-%e2%80%98iran-should-not-be-the-new-iraq%e2%80%99/#comment-681557 Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:27:40 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/04/libertarian-party-says-%e2%80%98iran-should-not-be-the-new-iraq%e2%80%99/#comment-681557 Where is Dondero? The "dream ticket" of Barr has come out publicly against waging agressive war. Dondero loves agressive war. Can Dondero support a peace candidate? Actually I know the answer. The agression caucus has significant overlap with the reform caucus, and the candidate they supported early in the primary made rhetorical use of his initials as he said he is WAR and for war. He only changed his tune once he realized that he'd lose if he continuted to advocate anti-libertarian policies such as bombing nations that haven't attacked us. Some of the wiser observers think it was a change of convenience but not of conscience, that deep down WAR still supports war. The evidence is that those who supported war still supported WAR after he changed his tune. It was more of a "wink wink yes he's anti-war just like all libertarians wink wink." Every time the reform candidates spoke out against war, the reformarians winked. So now the reform ticket has come out against war. Those that support it are still winking. Where is Dondero? The “dream ticket” of Barr has come out publicly against waging agressive war. Dondero loves agressive war. Can Dondero support a peace candidate?

Actually I know the answer. The agression caucus has significant overlap with the reform caucus, and the candidate they supported early in the primary made rhetorical use of his initials as he said he is WAR and for war. He only changed his tune once he realized that he’d lose if he continuted to advocate anti-libertarian policies such as bombing nations that haven’t attacked us.

Some of the wiser observers think it was a change of convenience but not of conscience, that deep down WAR still supports war. The evidence is that those who supported war still supported WAR after he changed his tune.

It was more of a “wink wink yes he’s anti-war just like all libertarians wink wink.” Every time the reform candidates spoke out against war, the reformarians winked.

So now the reform ticket has come out against war. Those that support it are still winking.

]]> by: disinter http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/04/libertarian-party-says-%e2%80%98iran-should-not-be-the-new-iraq%e2%80%99/#comment-679831 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:16:06 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/04/libertarian-party-says-%e2%80%98iran-should-not-be-the-new-iraq%e2%80%99/#comment-679831 <blockquote>More hypocrisy from Barr, who has stated his intent to antagonize Iran. He has already called for “strengthening economic and political pressure on Iran.”</blockquote> Exactly. <blockquote>How is Babar’s position any different from Obama or McCain’s, again?</blockquote> It isn't.
More hypocrisy from Barr, who has stated his intent to antagonize Iran. He has already called for “strengthening economic and political pressure on Iran.”

Exactly.

How is Babar’s position any different from Obama or McCain’s, again?

It isn’t.

]]> by: disinter http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/04/libertarian-party-says-%e2%80%98iran-should-not-be-the-new-iraq%e2%80%99/#comment-679829 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:14:43 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/04/libertarian-party-says-%e2%80%98iran-should-not-be-the-new-iraq%e2%80%99/#comment-679829 Strange, Barf still wants to invade other countries and be an over-all interventionist. http://www.conservative.org/columnists/barr/070609bb.htm Barf is full of shit and the barfers are eating it up. Strange, Barf still wants to invade other countries and be an over-all interventionist.

http://www.conservative.org/columnists/barr/070609bb.htm

Barf is full of shit and the barfers are eating it up.

]]> by: Cork http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/04/libertarian-party-says-%e2%80%98iran-should-not-be-the-new-iraq%e2%80%99/#comment-677432 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 07:41:13 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/04/libertarian-party-says-%e2%80%98iran-should-not-be-the-new-iraq%e2%80%99/#comment-677432 Barr has criticized Obama's willingness to talk with foreign leaders. Why would he do such a thing if that is his position? Barr has criticized Obama’s willingness to talk with foreign leaders. Why would he do such a thing if that is his position?

]]> by: Stefan http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/04/libertarian-party-says-%e2%80%98iran-should-not-be-the-new-iraq%e2%80%99/#comment-677373 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 06:51:29 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/04/libertarian-party-says-%e2%80%98iran-should-not-be-the-new-iraq%e2%80%99/#comment-677373 "How is Babar’s position any different from Obama or McCain’s, again?" Let us see, McInsane calls for 'bomb, bomb bomb Iran" and confuses shiite groups from Iran with Al Qeda, Obama excluding unconditional talks with Iran, while Bob Barr, Ron Paul and others promoting talks with Iran ... and you cannot see any difference? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgOO-88Uv4U “How is Babar’s position any different from Obama or McCain’s, again?”

Let us see, McInsane calls for ‘bomb, bomb bomb Iran” and confuses shiite groups from Iran with Al Qeda, Obama excluding unconditional talks with Iran, while
Bob Barr, Ron Paul and others promoting talks with Iran … and you cannot see any difference?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgOO-88Uv4U

]]> by: Cork http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/04/libertarian-party-says-%e2%80%98iran-should-not-be-the-new-iraq%e2%80%99/#comment-677342 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 06:18:58 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/04/libertarian-party-says-%e2%80%98iran-should-not-be-the-new-iraq%e2%80%99/#comment-677342 More hypocrisy from Barr, who has stated his intent to antagonize Iran. He has already called for "strengthening economic and political pressure on Iran." Why, Bob? How, Bob? How is Babar's position any different from Obama or McCain's, again? More hypocrisy from Barr, who has stated his intent to antagonize Iran. He has already called for “strengthening economic and political pressure on Iran.” Why, Bob? How, Bob?

How is Babar’s position any different from Obama or McCain’s, again?

]]> by: End the Empire http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/04/libertarian-party-says-%e2%80%98iran-should-not-be-the-new-iraq%e2%80%99/#comment-677176 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 04:11:17 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/04/libertarian-party-says-%e2%80%98iran-should-not-be-the-new-iraq%e2%80%99/#comment-677176 Economic sanction is an act of warfare. Good quote, Bob Barr. B.O. is a flyweight, empty suit with NO BUSINESS in the same room with the nuclear football, NO WAY in charge of it! OH, America WAKE UP, please stop B.O. &#38; McSenile and their WARMONGERING handlers! Economic sanction is an act of warfare.

Good quote, Bob Barr. B.O. is a flyweight, empty suit with NO BUSINESS in the same room with the nuclear football, NO WAY in charge of it!

OH, America WAKE UP, please stop B.O. & McSenile and their WARMONGERING handlers!

]]> by: Richie http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/04/libertarian-party-says-%e2%80%98iran-should-not-be-the-new-iraq%e2%80%99/#comment-677011 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 00:56:21 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/04/libertarian-party-says-%e2%80%98iran-should-not-be-the-new-iraq%e2%80%99/#comment-677011 Where's Eric Dondero? lol Where’s Eric Dondero? lol

]]> by: NewFederalist http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/04/libertarian-party-says-%e2%80%98iran-should-not-be-the-new-iraq%e2%80%99/#comment-676939 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 00:10:50 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/04/libertarian-party-says-%e2%80%98iran-should-not-be-the-new-iraq%e2%80%99/#comment-676939 Why not invade Zimbabwe and Sudan while we're at it? They deserve it more. Oh wait... that's in Africa. That's right, the French should do it. Why not invade Zimbabwe and Sudan while we’re at it? They deserve it more. Oh wait… that’s in Africa. That’s right, the French should do it.

]]> by: Stefan http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/04/libertarian-party-says-%e2%80%98iran-should-not-be-the-new-iraq%e2%80%99/#comment-676924 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:55:50 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/04/libertarian-party-says-%e2%80%98iran-should-not-be-the-new-iraq%e2%80%99/#comment-676924 Economic sanctions is like economic warfare. Well, one could use it as a diplomatic carrot to go step by step, instead of just unilaterally announcing a lifting of it.... but essentially one should move towards lifting all sanctions everywhere, depending on the situation in each country. Sanctions do not work and hurt the whole population. Think about how many people die in say Myanmar, and with the sanctions and the disaster there, all of a suffer the US wants to help people. If there were free trade, it would have been much easier to directly offer help. If you are really for free trade, you cannot be for sanctions. You could perhaps have selected sanctions ONLY against certain government officials. There is corruption everywhere. With more trade between Cuba etc, think of how much all countries will benefit economically. Economic sanctions is like economic warfare. Well, one could use it as a diplomatic carrot to go step by step, instead of just unilaterally announcing a lifting of it…. but essentially one should move towards lifting all sanctions everywhere, depending on the situation in each country. Sanctions do not work and hurt the whole population. Think about how many people die in say Myanmar, and with the sanctions and the disaster there, all of a suffer the US wants to help people. If there were free trade, it would have been much easier to directly offer help. If you are really for free trade, you cannot be for sanctions. You could perhaps have selected sanctions ONLY against certain government officials. There is corruption everywhere. With more trade between Cuba etc, think of how much all countries will benefit economically.

]]> by: Craig http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/04/libertarian-party-says-%e2%80%98iran-should-not-be-the-new-iraq%e2%80%99/#comment-676893 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:14:06 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/04/libertarian-party-says-%e2%80%98iran-should-not-be-the-new-iraq%e2%80%99/#comment-676893 Lift all the sanctions, everywhere -- Iran, Iraq, Cuba, North Korea, etc. What right does the US government have to interfere with voluntary commerce between peaceful individuals, regardless of where they live? It's good to hear the LP and Bob Barr saying the right things about Iran, especially with Obama backtracking daily on Iraq and everything else, as he switches from pandering to the left to pursuing the political center. Lift all the sanctions, everywhere—Iran, Iraq, Cuba, North Korea, etc. What right does the US government have to interfere with voluntary commerce between peaceful individuals, regardless of where they live?

It’s good to hear the LP and Bob Barr saying the right things about Iran, especially with Obama backtracking daily on Iraq and everything else, as he switches from pandering to the left to pursuing the political center.

]]> by: DIAMOND DAVE http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/04/libertarian-party-says-%e2%80%98iran-should-not-be-the-new-iraq%e2%80%99/#comment-676811 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:40:43 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/04/libertarian-party-says-%e2%80%98iran-should-not-be-the-new-iraq%e2%80%99/#comment-676811 correction: sanctions should not be lifted but military option should be out of the question. correction: sanctions should not be lifted but military option should be out of the question.

]]> by: Stefan http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/04/libertarian-party-says-%e2%80%98iran-should-not-be-the-new-iraq%e2%80%99/#comment-676783 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:17:14 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/04/libertarian-party-says-%e2%80%98iran-should-not-be-the-new-iraq%e2%80%99/#comment-676783 Absolutely. The sanctions against Iran should also be lifted. Such a deescalation of the situation will alone force the oil price from ca. 145 USD to about 100 USD I think. Also: as per Iran's constitution, their president has NO CONTROL over foreign policy OR their nuclear program? (and they, like in Turkey, adhere much more to their constitution than the Bush govt. to the US govt). Barr and Paul's foreign policy adviser, Doug Bandow, is part of this team and initiative: http://www.newiranpolicy.org Absolutely. The sanctions against Iran should also be lifted. Such a deescalation of the situation will alone force the oil price from ca. 145 USD to about 100 USD I think.
Also: as per Iran’s constitution, their president has NO CONTROL over foreign policy OR their nuclear program?
(and they, like in Turkey, adhere much more to their constitution than the Bush govt. to the US govt).

Barr and Paul’s foreign policy adviser, Doug Bandow, is part of this team and initiative:
http://www.newiranpolicy.org

]]> by: Bill Wood http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/04/libertarian-party-says-%e2%80%98iran-should-not-be-the-new-iraq%e2%80%99/#comment-676731 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:01:30 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/04/libertarian-party-says-%e2%80%98iran-should-not-be-the-new-iraq%e2%80%99/#comment-676731 Off topic, but Sonny Landham is running for the US Senate in Kentuckey. http://www.sonny2008.com/ Off topic, but Sonny Landham is running for the US Senate in Kentuckey.

http://www.sonny2008.com/

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