Comments on: Reuters poll: Third-party candidates are helping Obama

by: Anti-Corporate

Sun, 20 Jul 2008 02:45:01 +0000

Follow the news at Ballot Access News and look at Nader’s plan. He has a plan that would put him on 45 states’ ballots by September 20 and has met every benchmark so far.

I’m not sure what comparison you want to make between the LP (or do you mean Barr?) and Nader. Are you talking about ballot access or about fund raising? With respect to ballot access, Nader started at 0 while the LP started with access on more than 50% of the states’ ballots, I believe. Nader has effectively added 15 states to his count so far and is on pace to get 45 or so. Barr will probably have 48 or so. But if you’re talking about fundraising, Nader has received more than twice as much as Barr and already has as much in FEC matching funds as Barr has raised total. So I don’t know what comparison you are suggesting.

by: Larry

Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:51:40 +0000

Corporate: You asked me why I did not think Nader would be on the ballot in very many states. I am just doing an internet search for Nader and ballot access. That is the information I have found. Do you have an unbiased source for information on Nader Ballot access? I am basing this also on the fact that it is late in the game and Libertarians are way ahead of Nader on ballot access and when Nader insists on running as an Independent he needs to start the ballot petitioning all over again. Look if Nader wants to run that is fine. Have him start his own party or join the Greens but to have to start ballot access over and over again is just dumb. Go to votenader.org and lp.org and see who is ahead for yourself.

by: Eric Dondero

Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:11:22 +0000

In Ohio, the Nader petitioners were going around downtown Cincinnati, signing up anyone they could find to register to vote. They didn’t even bother asking if the person was 18 or not, or if they were a legal citizen of the United States.

I personally witnessed one of their ACORN employees signing up a teenager in front of the public library. Another one they signed up was already a registered voter. She had just signed my petition. But the grungy ACORN guy asked her to register to vote. I then yelled at the guy, hey, she’s already registered to vote, and she hasn’t changed her address, so you cannot sign her up again.

He responded that he just wanted the money for the registration, and then turned to her and asked her if she’d help him make a few dollars.

It was a common trick for these ACORNer Nader supporters to just ask anyone on the street they could find if they could help them “make a buck,” by signing their registration form. Homeless people, illegal aliens, anyone who was walking, talking or breathing, the Nader Raiders signed ‘em up.

Who is ever going to keep tabs on these people?

by: Eric Dondero

Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:04:36 +0000

The Nader activists are engaging in their same old tricks.

In 2004, in the Libertarian Party of Texas ballot drive, all these New Yorkers – mostly grungy college kids – came down to Houston for Nader. They scoped out where all the LP petitioners were, and the next day, they’d come in with 4 or 5 of them and block the LPers from getting petition signatures, and take over the locations themselves.

They did this most prominently at the Houston Zoo (absolute best petitioning spot in Houston), at the local public libraries and all over downtown.

Well, they’re now doing the exact same thing to LP petitioners out in the field right now for the Libertarian Party.

They come in late to a State, scope out the LP petitioners to see where they are petitioning, and come in with 2 or 3 of their guys to steal the locations.

by: monte letopurneau

Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:53:06 +0000

it may be hard to imagine for you, but that doesn’t change the fact that Nader, and Libertarians, have always had more attraction to traditional “conserve”ative Republicans than to Dems

the spoiler effect did not steal the last two presidential elections, the “president” did

by: Travis Maddox

Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:42:18 +0000

Why is always assumed that all those third party votes would vote for the two headed party if the third parties didn’t exist? I have never voted GOP or DNC for POTUS… never have never will.

by: Virginia Resident

Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:08:10 +0000

Richard Winger of Ballot Access News believes that Nader has enough money to hire a professional signature gathering team.

No-one knows more about this than Richard Winger.

Nader has collected about three times the donations of Barr.

That would tend to prove the point that Nader can make the ballot.

by: Mike

Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:17:26 +0000

Expose Obama for his decision on FISA! McCain has already been exposed, so Obama is next. Let’s get Nader and Barr in the Google debates. Email and write to google. I already have.

by: steve conn

Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:26:13 +0000

The Reuter’s poll puts the lie to the myth that Nader votes are drawn from would-be Democratic supporters. That is such a well developed myth that the Democrats will attack Nader’s ballot access to protect the Big Lie that Nader cost Gore the election. Watch the results of this poll disappear.

by: John Lowell

Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:17:32 +0000

CatTrot,

:-)

Yes, indeed, God bless our Holy Father, Benedict XVI, and CatTrot as well. Pray for us, Sts. Peter & Paul. In nominee patri, et filii, et Spiritus Sancti!

by: Catholic Trotskyist

Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:01:06 +0000

Yes John, I am proud to be one of those progressives who don’t care what Obama does during this campaign. It is much more courageous to vote for the lesser of two imperfect people, then to vote your conscience and get the true opposition candidate elected. 90% of people understand that Obama and McCain truly have different visions for this country. The more conservatives belong to the dumb minority that don’t understand that, the easier it will be for the Christian/Muslim libertarian/socialist Obama Revolution to come. I don’t care how far to the right Nader moves, he is still a fascist/stalinist criminal.

God bless the pope on World Youth Day. God bless Saints Peter and Paul, the patron saints of politics. God bless Ted Kennedy. Amen.

by: John Lowell

Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:38:54 +0000

I’m afraid that all too many “progressives” are caught up in the Obama lie, so many continue to prioritize “hope” over the raw data emerging from events day-to-day, that even Obama’s flips on FISA, campaign finance, Iraq, NAFTA, etc., make no real difference to them. A classic example, Glenn Greenwald. Kvetching constantly about the perfidy of the Democratic “opposition”, Greenwald purposes to hold wuss Democrats “responsible” for their failures to mount real opposition to the regime’s warmongering and police state tactics. The vehicle, ads in the offending Democrats’ districts! One notes, however, that the whole stategy presupposes support for Obama. One would think that anyone with a mouth as big and as publicised as Greenwald’s would be urging support for Nader given the depth of he feeling involved. But no, Greenwald proves himself as lacking in courage as those he criticizes. Sadly, he’s likely more the rule than the exception.

by: Jeff Wartman

Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:18:47 +0000

Richard,

A lot of that also may have to do with the “impending victory” syndrome.

Here in Illinois, many Republicans are comfortable voting for Barr because they know McCain has NO chance to win the state. They are more confident in their protest vote because they know their party’s candidate is out of contention here.

by: Anti-Corporate

Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:19:27 +0000

Larry, why do you think that Nader will only be on the ballot in 20 states? And how is it that you are so certain of your opinion as to call it a “fact?” Nader claims that he will be on the ballot in 45 states and has a clearly set out plan that would make that happen. What better/additional information do you have that should lead Nader supporters to think that Nader is wrong in his prediction and that you are right?

by: Larry

Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:41:50 +0000

I have a question. If Nader will only be on the ballot in ten states why does he matter? I do not care what Nader HOPES to do. The fact is Nader will be lucky to be on the ballot in 20 states whereas Barr will be on the ballot in 46-49 states. Media don’t you get ballot access?