Comments on: How do the candidates compare to Ron Paul? http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/23/how-do-the-candidates-compare-to-ron-paul/ Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:48:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.3 by: joey http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/23/how-do-the-candidates-compare-to-ron-paul/#comment-717736 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:20:34 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/23/how-do-the-candidates-compare-to-ron-paul/#comment-717736 This page: http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/abomo.html is about all the proof you need that this guy is no Ron Paul. I haven't seen this type of collectivist fearmongering since Alan Keyes. Whereas RP made arguments based on logic, this guy's parroting religious tripe from the farthest wing of the Christian Right. The reason RP attracted so many different voters is because he shared an individualist message, a message that government isn't here to judge you by religious, moralistic standards, but by laws. And not just laws we want to make up, but laws that have a philosophical basis in individual liberty. Chuck Baldwin seems like the type of guy who wouldn't mind firebombing a gay bar if no one was looking. As for Barr, campaigning on reversing all of your legislative victories is shady shady shady, and those of us who have been libertarians all along should be wary of his newfound, religiostic redemption. Looks like I might vote for "none of the above" this year. This page: http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/abomo.html is about all the proof you need that this guy is no Ron Paul. I haven’t seen this type of collectivist fearmongering since Alan Keyes. Whereas RP made arguments based on logic, this guy’s parroting religious tripe from the farthest wing of the Christian Right.

The reason RP attracted so many different voters is because he shared an individualist message, a message that government isn’t here to judge you by religious, moralistic standards, but by laws. And not just laws we want to make up, but laws that have a philosophical basis in individual liberty. Chuck Baldwin seems like the type of guy who wouldn’t mind firebombing a gay bar if no one was looking.

As for Barr, campaigning on reversing all of your legislative victories is shady shady shady, and those of us who have been libertarians all along should be wary of his newfound, religiostic redemption. Looks like I might vote for “none of the above” this year.

]]> by: Jeff Becker http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/23/how-do-the-candidates-compare-to-ron-paul/#comment-717168 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:38:53 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/23/how-do-the-candidates-compare-to-ron-paul/#comment-717168 George and Eric, Chuck Baldwin's campaign did not "complain". His Communication Director, Mary Starrett, provided an update to missing information PER THE RON PAUL-O-METER STATEMENT: "If our readers can point us to direct quotes that refute some of the things we were able to find through our research we will happily adjust the score accordingly." George and Eric,

Chuck Baldwin’s campaign did not “complain”. His Communication Director, Mary Starrett, provided an update to missing information PER THE RON PAUL-O-METER STATEMENT: “If our readers can point us to direct quotes that refute some of the things we were able to find through our research we will happily adjust the score accordingly.”

]]> by: Infamous0ne http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/23/how-do-the-candidates-compare-to-ron-paul/#comment-714421 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:32:35 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/23/how-do-the-candidates-compare-to-ron-paul/#comment-714421 Mr. Dondero- Your support of Bob Barr is a big part of why i will not be supporting him with my vote. Your blog is mistitled, it should read "neoconservative libertarian", as the only thing you differ with neoconservatives is thier moral legislation. True republicans do not believe in nation building and the fiscal irresponsibility it entails. I would also like you to answer a question for us all - how can you support Bob Barr if he intends to withdraw troops from Iraq? I have an archived post saved where you told people on this very message board that al-qaeda terrorists were going to march through the streets of america if we withdrew from Iraq. (i can post it back here if you would like to refresh your memory). It seems that you would disagree with Bob Barr on this vital point, please explain how you can still support him. Mr. Dondero-

Your support of Bob Barr is a big part of why i will not be supporting him with my vote. Your blog is mistitled, it should read “neoconservative libertarian”, as the only thing you differ with neoconservatives is thier moral legislation. True republicans do not believe in nation building and the fiscal irresponsibility it entails.
I would also like you to answer a question for us all – how can you support Bob Barr if he intends to withdraw troops from Iraq? I have an archived post saved where you told people on this very message board that al-qaeda terrorists were going to march through the streets of america if we withdrew from Iraq. (i can post it back here if you would like to refresh your memory). It seems that you would disagree with Bob Barr on this vital point, please explain how you can still support him.

]]> by: Eric Dondero http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/23/how-do-the-candidates-compare-to-ron-paul/#comment-712769 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:28:08 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/23/how-do-the-candidates-compare-to-ron-paul/#comment-712769 George, do you have evidence for that? If so, that's a big bit of news. I'd like to report on that as an UPDATE! over at Libertarian Republican blog. Would you mind emailing me separately at ericdondero@yahoo.com with info on that? Thanks George, do you have evidence for that? If so, that’s a big bit of news. I’d like to report on that as an UPDATE! over at Libertarian Republican blog.

Would you mind emailing me separately at ericdondero@yahoo.com with info on that? Thanks

]]> by: George Dance http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/23/how-do-the-candidates-compare-to-ron-paul/#comment-711861 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:48:35 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/23/how-do-the-candidates-compare-to-ron-paul/#comment-711861 Chuck Baldwin originally scored lower than Barr. His score was raised to a tie after his campaign complained. Chuck Baldwin originally scored lower than Barr. His score was raised to a tie after his campaign complained.

]]> by: Jeff Becker http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/23/how-do-the-candidates-compare-to-ron-paul/#comment-711517 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:29:49 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/23/how-do-the-candidates-compare-to-ron-paul/#comment-711517 Comparing Chuck Baldwin and Bob Barr's numbers side by side, we find: 1) Bob Barr scored 4 or less to Chuck Baldwin's perfect 5 on FIVE key issues: monetary policy, taxes, immigration, gun control, and welfare. 2) Both were tied with a score of 4 on internet regulation. 3) Bob only scored one point higher than Chuck on the drug issue because Mr. Baldwin defers that issue to the states, which is the Constitutionally correct position. Refer to 10th Amendment. 4) Bob Barr scored a 1 for his less-than-liberty voting record and Chuck Baldwin a 1 because he is a minister. Hmmm, which of these will the voters percieve as a bigger negative? 5) Bob Barr outscored Chuck Baldwin 5 to 2 because of his "ability to deliver the liberty message" - thanks to being the current FAUX "NEWS" darling. Remember, the MSM went out of its way to silence Dr. Paul. 6) Chuck Baldwin scored fifteen perfect fives to Bob Barr's twelve. SCORE BARR BALDWIN 1 1 1 2 0 1 3 1 2 4 6 1 5 12 15 Statistical edge: BALDWIN Comparing Chuck Baldwin and Bob Barr’s numbers side by side, we find:
1) Bob Barr scored 4 or less to Chuck Baldwin’s perfect 5 on FIVE key issues: monetary policy, taxes, immigration, gun control, and welfare.
2) Both were tied with a score of 4 on internet regulation.
3) Bob only scored one point higher than Chuck on the drug issue because Mr. Baldwin defers that issue to the states, which is the Constitutionally correct position. Refer to 10th Amendment.
4) Bob Barr scored a 1 for his less-than-liberty voting record and Chuck Baldwin a 1 because he is a minister. Hmmm, which of these will the voters percieve as a bigger negative?
5) Bob Barr outscored Chuck Baldwin 5 to 2 because of his “ability to deliver the liberty message” – thanks to being the current FAUX “NEWS” darling. Remember, the MSM went out of its way to silence Dr. Paul.
6) Chuck Baldwin scored fifteen perfect fives to Bob Barr’s twelve.

SCORE BARR BALDWIN
1 1 1
2 0 1
3 1 2
4 6 1
5 12 15

Statistical edge: BALDWIN

]]> by: jj http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/23/how-do-the-candidates-compare-to-ron-paul/#comment-710198 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:10:19 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/23/how-do-the-candidates-compare-to-ron-paul/#comment-710198 This the the difference between McCain and Ron Paul.. Tho' numerically closer than Obama, the difference is much bigger and important to understand.. NAFTA as it is, we will need what ever the Democrats will offer in the way of help to the American people how ever socialistic that may be is our only rationale choice with our jobs leaving the country, big Walmarts with all that china made merchandise putting mom and pop out of business and farmers becoming a thing of our past, we are going to get poorer and poorer with no rope to hold under continued policies of McBUSH. Democrats will throw us a bone every now and then, at least.. You either have to be Republican 100% or the republic does not work.. The best thing we could have done this election was to vote for Ron Paul. A statesman for We the people and for the good of America. America FIRST. Is Ron Paul the last of the REAL Grand old Party? Ron Paul is a protector of the republic. The people..Liberty, Prosperity and PEACE. We had our chance and we blew it. This the the difference between McCain and Ron Paul..
Tho’ numerically closer than Obama, the difference is much bigger and important to understand..
NAFTA as it is, we will need what ever the Democrats will offer in the way of help to the American people how ever socialistic that may be is our only rationale choice with our jobs leaving the country, big Walmarts with all that china made merchandise putting mom and pop out of business and farmers becoming a thing of our past, we are going to get poorer and poorer with no rope to hold under continued policies of McBUSH. Democrats will throw us a bone every now and then, at least..

You either have to be Republican 100% or the republic does not work..

The best thing we could have done this election was to vote for Ron Paul.
A statesman for We the people and for the good of America. America FIRST. Is Ron Paul the last of the REAL Grand old Party?
Ron Paul is a protector of the republic. The people..Liberty, Prosperity and PEACE.
We had our chance and we blew it.

]]> by: Eric Dondero http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/23/how-do-the-candidates-compare-to-ron-paul/#comment-710168 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:53:33 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/23/how-do-the-candidates-compare-to-ron-paul/#comment-710168 RJ, sorry to bust your bubble, but regular Americans prefer someone for President of the United States who has a little experience under their belt. Being a former 4-term US Congressman qualifies. Being a radio talk show host and Preacher, really does not. RJ, sorry to bust your bubble, but regular Americans prefer someone for President of the United States who has a little experience under their belt. Being a former 4-term US Congressman qualifies. Being a radio talk show host and Preacher, really does not.

]]> by: MPM http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/23/how-do-the-candidates-compare-to-ron-paul/#comment-710143 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:45:39 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/23/how-do-the-candidates-compare-to-ron-paul/#comment-710143 "Barr (and his party) are for open borders, unlimited immigration, and the abolishment of all nations via globalism." Have you actually paid attention to anything Barr has said? On Glenn Beck or anywhere else (...more recent than 2000)? “Barr (and his party) are for open borders, unlimited immigration, and the abolishment of all nations via globalism.”

Have you actually paid attention to anything Barr has said? On Glenn Beck or anywhere else (...more recent than 2000)?

]]> by: Antony http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/23/how-do-the-candidates-compare-to-ron-paul/#comment-710062 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:11:21 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/23/how-do-the-candidates-compare-to-ron-paul/#comment-710062 Just to clarify for Donna... Freedom and liberty do not come from the Constitution. It was created to limit goverment. The Bill of Rights just enumerates a few rights that are inherant to each individual. So, if the Constitution itself lists all that government is ALLOWED to do, then the BOR is there to merely reinforce this idea, giving them another list demonstrating what they are NOT allowed to do. The Founders were clear about this in their writings, if anyone bothers to read them any more. Just to clarify for Donna…
Freedom and liberty do not come from the Constitution. It was created to limit goverment. The Bill of Rights just enumerates a few rights that are inherant to each individual. So, if the Constitution itself lists all that government is ALLOWED to do, then the BOR is there to merely reinforce this idea, giving them another list demonstrating what they are NOT allowed to do.

The Founders were clear about this in their writings, if anyone bothers to read them any more.

]]> by: Corey http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/23/how-do-the-candidates-compare-to-ron-paul/#comment-710040 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:03:59 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/23/how-do-the-candidates-compare-to-ron-paul/#comment-710040 Donna, I doubt it's "what feels good" which guides Libertarianism, rather, I suspect it's "what makes the most money in the shortest time". If that means selling their nation piece by piece, replacing its population demographically, or importing half a billion "willing workers" when the citizens aren't servile enough, you can count on Libertarianism to capitalize accordingly. Short term profits precludes long term thinking in the Libertarian Party. I wonder if Libertarians contemplate prostituting their mothers? It is after all profitible... Donna, I doubt it’s “what feels good” which guides Libertarianism, rather, I suspect it’s “what makes the most money in the shortest time”. If that means selling their nation piece by piece, replacing its population demographically, or importing half a billion “willing workers” when the citizens aren’t servile enough, you can count on Libertarianism to capitalize accordingly. Short term profits precludes long term thinking in the Libertarian Party.

I wonder if Libertarians contemplate prostituting their mothers? It is after all profitible…

]]> by: Donna http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/23/how-do-the-candidates-compare-to-ron-paul/#comment-709939 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:30:52 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/23/how-do-the-candidates-compare-to-ron-paul/#comment-709939 Thanks, Corey, for bringing this to our attention. In other words, the Libbys source of law comes from man and whatever feels good instead of the freedoms and liberty that comes from the U.S. Constituition? Wow! our founding fathers were brilliant! That's why Libbys will never become CPers, and visa versa. Thanks, Corey, for bringing this to our attention. In other words, the Libbys source of law comes from man and whatever feels good instead of the freedoms and liberty that comes from the U.S. Constituition? Wow! our founding fathers were brilliant! That’s why Libbys will never become CPers, and visa versa.

]]> by: Corey http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/23/how-do-the-candidates-compare-to-ron-paul/#comment-709885 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:45:25 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/23/how-do-the-candidates-compare-to-ron-paul/#comment-709885 What follows is the latest official Libertarian position on open borders. From the 2000 libertarian website: "We welcome all refugees to our country. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age, or sexual preference. We therefore call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally." In other words, Libertarians are for open borders. The Libertarian party has never renounced this position. What follows is the latest official Libertarian position on open borders. From the 2000 libertarian website:

“We welcome all refugees to our country. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age, or sexual preference. We therefore call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally.”

In other words, Libertarians are for open borders. The Libertarian party has never renounced this position.

]]> by: Corey http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/23/how-do-the-candidates-compare-to-ron-paul/#comment-709868 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:33:44 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/23/how-do-the-candidates-compare-to-ron-paul/#comment-709868 Barr (and his party) are for open borders, unlimited immigration, and the abolishment of all nations via globalism. Baldwin (and his party) are for border control, limited immigration, and the preservation of this nation via the constitution. Barr (and his party) are for open borders, unlimited immigration, and the abolishment of all nations via globalism.

Baldwin (and his party) are for border control, limited immigration, and the preservation of this nation via the constitution.

]]> by: RJ http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/23/how-do-the-candidates-compare-to-ron-paul/#comment-709846 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:10:15 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/23/how-do-the-candidates-compare-to-ron-paul/#comment-709846 Bob Barr is a flip flopper Chuck Baldwin is not. Bob Barr is a flip flopper Chuck Baldwin is not.

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