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	<title>Comments on: A mock funeral for Barr and the LP</title>
	<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/24/a-mock-funeral-for-barr-and-the-lp/</link>
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		<title>by: K D Tunstall</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/24/a-mock-funeral-for-barr-and-the-lp/#comment-755819</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hmmmm.....OK so George you refuse to take a position. 
I equate that to tacet approval. 
Nice attempt at misdirecting my point. 
I believe that you have sealed my decision regarding any of your electoral efforts in the future. 

Dondero....why would I support a member of a party that violated the election code in order to maintain their leadership positions? That was the nail in the coffin as far as I was concerned. There will be many undervotes on my ballot this November.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hmmmm&#8230;..OK so George you refuse to take a position.<br />
I equate that to tacet approval.<br />
Nice attempt at misdirecting my point.<br />
I believe that you have sealed my decision regarding any of your electoral efforts in the future.</p>
	<p>Dondero&#8230;.why would I support a member of a party that violated the election code in order to maintain their leadership positions? That was the nail in the coffin as far as I was concerned. There will be many undervotes on my ballot this November.</p>
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		<title>by: George Phillies</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/24/a-mock-funeral-for-barr-and-the-lp/#comment-722013</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/24/a-mock-funeral-for-barr-and-the-lp/#comment-722013</guid>
					<description>K D Tunstall Says:

&quot;George, you and I have talked a few times on the phone. Do you ...&quot;

I didn't like any of your choices, though you forgot to ask how often I beat my wife.

I remind readers who may feel concern that I am a lifelong bachelor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span class="caps">K D </span>Tunstall Says:</p>
	<p>&#8220;George, you and I have talked a few times on the phone. Do you &#8230;&#8221;</p>
	<p>I didn&#8217;t like any of your choices, though you forgot to ask how often I beat my wife.</p>
	<p>I remind readers who may feel concern that I am a lifelong bachelor.</p>
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		<title>by: George Phillies</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/24/a-mock-funeral-for-barr-and-the-lp/#comment-722001</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/24/a-mock-funeral-for-barr-and-the-lp/#comment-722001</guid>
					<description>Eric writes:

&quot;....I pointed out to Cohn that if we hadn’t had to come to NH to do an entirely new petition drive...&quot;

Given the way their ballot access law works, and the convention's choice of nominees, there is not a credible alternative to doing, after the convention, the drive whose first phase you are now doing.   

Tunstall writes:  &quot;Had...Mary garnered the nomination, you would not see the pragmatists, constitutionalist or reformers in the party holding or participating in such activity...&quot;

I do not believe that you are right.  It might have been superficially different, but if the favorite radical candidate had received the nomination, we would be having the same difficulties.  Most people had not even noticed some of the more bizarre parts of her book, such as her claim that the chlorofluorocarbon ozone hole--was was chemically more general--is physically impossible.  Also, there were large numbers of activists who viewed her position on page 43 and thereabouts of her book as being totally unacceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Eric writes:</p>
	<p>&#8220;....I pointed out to Cohn that if we hadn&#8217;t had to come to NH to do an entirely new petition drive&#8230;&#8221;</p>
	<p>Given the way their ballot access law works, and the convention&#8217;s choice of nominees, there is not a credible alternative to doing, after the convention, the drive whose first phase you are now doing.</p>
	<p>Tunstall writes:  &#8220;Had&#8230;Mary garnered the nomination, you would not see the pragmatists, constitutionalist or reformers in the party holding or participating in such activity&#8230;&#8221;</p>
	<p>I do not believe that you are right.  It might have been superficially different, but if the favorite radical candidate had received the nomination, we would be having the same difficulties.  Most people had not even noticed some of the more bizarre parts of her book, such as her claim that the chlorofluorocarbon ozone hole&#8212;was was chemically more general&#8212;is physically impossible.  Also, there were large numbers of activists who viewed her position on page 43 and thereabouts of her book as being totally unacceptable.</p>
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		<title>by: Eric Dondero</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/24/a-mock-funeral-for-barr-and-the-lp/#comment-719498</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/24/a-mock-funeral-for-barr-and-the-lp/#comment-719498</guid>
					<description>Yes, Tunstall, I am pounding the pavement for GOP support.  Support for Tom McClintock for Congress, Allan West for Congress, Jeff Flake for Reelection to Congress, and a host of other Libertarian Republicans whom I hope will win election this year.  

There was a time when you felt the same way.  What happened?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yes, Tunstall, I am pounding the pavement for <span class="caps">GOP</span> support.  Support for Tom McClintock for Congress, Allan West for Congress, Jeff Flake for Reelection to Congress, and a host of other Libertarian Republicans whom I hope will win election this year.</p>
	<p>There was a time when you felt the same way.  What happened?</p>
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		<title>by: Eric Dondero</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/24/a-mock-funeral-for-barr-and-the-lp/#comment-719495</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/24/a-mock-funeral-for-barr-and-the-lp/#comment-719495</guid>
					<description>Tunstall, I'm puzzled by your puzzlement.  Appartently you do not read my Blog - Libertarian Republican.

I have said repeatedly, til I'm blue in the face that I am a PROUD REPUBLICAN FOR BOB BARR!

I have not endorsed McCain.  I am not supporting McCain.  

I hope he does well, well enough to carry some Libertarian Republicans into office like Tom McClintock running for Congress in California, and Allan West for Congress in Florida.  But I will be voting for, and doing everything I can from now until Nov. 4, to help elect Bob Barr for President.

And I plan to do that as a Republican.  

Even if McCain picks Sarah Palin as his running mater, someone I admire greatly and consider to be a hardcore Libertarian Republican, I'll still be supporting Barr/Root.  

BTW, you do realize that I'm the very guy that recruited Root to run for the Presidency two years ago, don't you?

How could I possibly NOT support the Barr/Root ticket?  That would be utter insanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Tunstall, I&#8217;m puzzled by your puzzlement.  Appartently you do not read my Blog &#8211; Libertarian Republican.</p>
	<p>I have said repeatedly, til I&#8217;m blue in the face that I am a <span class="caps">PROUD REPUBLICAN FOR BOB BARR</span>!</p>
	<p>I have not endorsed McCain.  I am not supporting McCain.</p>
	<p>I hope he does well, well enough to carry some Libertarian Republicans into office like Tom McClintock running for Congress in California, and Allan West for Congress in Florida.  But I will be voting for, and doing everything I can from now until Nov. 4, to help elect Bob Barr for President.</p>
	<p>And I plan to do that as a Republican.</p>
	<p>Even if McCain picks Sarah Palin as his running mater, someone I admire greatly and consider to be a hardcore Libertarian Republican, I&#8217;ll still be supporting Barr/Root.</p>
	<p><span class="caps">BTW</span>, you do realize that I&#8217;m the very guy that recruited Root to run for the Presidency two years ago, don&#8217;t you?</p>
	<p>How could I possibly <span class="caps">NOT</span> support the Barr/Root ticket?  That would be utter insanity.</p>
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		<title>by: K D Tunstall</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/24/a-mock-funeral-for-barr-and-the-lp/#comment-717902</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/24/a-mock-funeral-for-barr-and-the-lp/#comment-717902</guid>
					<description>As a former officer (I did not seek the nomination), I find that this type of behavior from the 'radical' wing of the party be despicable to say the least.
Regardless of which wing a candidate hails from, it is a duty of a party officer to assist the party's nominees. I did not wish to engage in campaigns this year and as such I have declined numerous requests to do so (including Barr). However, I would never overtly engage in activities that would be construed by either wing as negative or destructive.

Had George, Steve or Mary garnered the nomination, you would not see the pragmatists, constitutionalist or reformers in the party holding or participating in such activity. You certainly would not be reading clarion calls to sabotage electoral efforts on the blogs and alternative web sites. This is all too reminiscent of the Smither campaign of '06 except ratcheted up to the n'th degree.

George, you and I have talked a few times on the phone. Do you endorse this type of behavior? Do you consider this the actions of adult minds prone to reason? Or, would you agree with me that this is the behavior of spoiled children who have failed to get their way for the first time? Will you, as you should, denounce this type of activity and call for party unity? Or will you remain silent, and in doing so provide your tacit approval?

Dondero, I am puzzled. As one who sings McCain's praises, why are you working on ballot access for the LP? I would have assumed that you would be beating the pavement trying to rally GOP support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As a former officer (I did not seek the nomination), I find that this type of behavior from the &#8216;radical&#8217; wing of the party be despicable to say the least.<br />
Regardless of which wing a candidate hails from, it is a duty of a party officer to assist the party&#8217;s nominees. I did not wish to engage in campaigns this year and as such I have declined numerous requests to do so (including Barr). However, I would never overtly engage in activities that would be construed by either wing as negative or destructive.</p>
	<p>Had George, Steve or Mary garnered the nomination, you would not see the pragmatists, constitutionalist or reformers in the party holding or participating in such activity. You certainly would not be reading clarion calls to sabotage electoral efforts on the blogs and alternative web sites. This is all too reminiscent of the Smither campaign of &#8216;06 except ratcheted up to the n&#8217;th degree.</p>
	<p>George, you and I have talked a few times on the phone. Do you endorse this type of behavior? Do you consider this the actions of adult minds prone to reason? Or, would you agree with me that this is the behavior of spoiled children who have failed to get their way for the first time? Will you, as you should, denounce this type of activity and call for party unity? Or will you remain silent, and in doing so provide your tacit approval?</p>
	<p>Dondero, I am puzzled. As one who sings McCain&#8217;s praises, why are you working on ballot access for the LP? I would have assumed that you would be beating the pavement trying to rally <span class="caps">GOP</span> support.</p>
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		<title>by: Eric Dondero</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/24/a-mock-funeral-for-barr-and-the-lp/#comment-716929</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/24/a-mock-funeral-for-barr-and-the-lp/#comment-716929</guid>
					<description>Seth Cohn calls Bob Barr a &quot;nice guy.&quot;

That's a rather strange way to treat a &quot;nice guy&quot; by holding a mock funeral for him, and banging on his &quot;coffin&quot; all the while condemning him.  

If that's the way Seth Cohn treats people he views as &quot;nice guys&quot; I'd hate to run into him in a dark alley in downtown Manchester, as a less than nice guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Seth Cohn calls Bob Barr a &#8220;nice guy.&#8221;</p>
	<p>That&#8217;s a rather strange way to treat a &#8220;nice guy&#8221; by holding a mock funeral for him, and banging on his &#8220;coffin&#8221; all the while condemning him.</p>
	<p>If that&#8217;s the way Seth Cohn treats people he views as &#8220;nice guys&#8221; I&#8217;d hate to run into him in a dark alley in downtown Manchester, as a less than nice guy.</p>
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		<title>by: Eric Dondero</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/24/a-mock-funeral-for-barr-and-the-lp/#comment-716914</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/24/a-mock-funeral-for-barr-and-the-lp/#comment-716914</guid>
					<description>Hah!  Seth Cohn completely lies in his assertion that I &quot;complained&quot; to him on Tuesday night about &quot;being stuck in New Hampshire.&quot;

For the record what I DID SAY to Seth and another woman in our company was that by the National LP having to send me and 3 other Pros to NH has diverted precious resources and time that could have been better spent in states like West Virginia.  I pointed out to Cohn that if we hadn't had to come to NH to do an entirely new petition drive, Pros like me could be in a truly crisis State right now like WV (or CT) helping the LP to get on the ballot.

Let's hope that the Libertarian Party still makes the ballot in West Virginia, despite our depleted petitioner forces being diverted to New Hampshire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hah!  Seth Cohn completely lies in his assertion that I &#8220;complained&#8221; to him on Tuesday night about &#8220;being stuck in New Hampshire.&#8221;</p>
	<p>For the record what <span class="caps">I DID SAY</span> to Seth and another woman in our company was that by the National LP having to send me and 3 other Pros to NH has diverted precious resources and time that could have been better spent in states like West Virginia.  I pointed out to Cohn that if we hadn&#8217;t had to come to NH to do an entirely new petition drive, Pros like me could be in a truly crisis State right now like <span class="caps">WV </span>(or CT) helping the LP to get on the ballot.</p>
	<p>Let&#8217;s hope that the Libertarian Party still makes the ballot in West Virginia, despite our depleted petitioner forces being diverted to New Hampshire.</p>
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		<title>by: FormerLPMember</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/24/a-mock-funeral-for-barr-and-the-lp/#comment-716442</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/24/a-mock-funeral-for-barr-and-the-lp/#comment-716442</guid>
					<description>&lt;b&gt;TheOldCrocodile Says: &lt;/b&gt;&lt;i&gt;

July 24th, 2008 at 7:23 pm 
Don’t vote? Don’t Bitch. If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem.&lt;/i&gt;

Follow the link in my comment to the article &lt;a href=&quot;http://http://www.lewrockwell.com/mcelroy/mcelroy37.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Act Responsibly: Don’t Vote! by Wendy McElroy&lt;/a&gt;  where she states &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;The opposite is true. By playing the game, voters agree to the rules. Only those who don’t play and withhold their consent have a right to complain about the outcome, especially since the winner will have his hand in the non-voter’s pocket.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><b>TheOldCrocodile Says: </b><i></p>
	<p>July 24th, 2008 at 7:23 pm<br />
Don&#8217;t vote? Don&#8217;t Bitch. If you&#8217;re not part of the solution, you&#8217;re part of the problem.</i></p>
	<p>Follow the link in my comment to the article <a href="http://http://www.lewrockwell.com/mcelroy/mcelroy37.html" rel="nofollow">Act Responsibly: Don&#8217;t Vote! by Wendy McElroy</a>  where she states <b><i>&#8220;The opposite is true. By playing the game, voters agree to the rules. Only those who don&#8217;t play and withhold their consent have a right to complain about the outcome, especially since the winner will have his hand in the non-voter&#8217;s pocket.&#8221;</i></b></p>
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		<title>by: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/24/a-mock-funeral-for-barr-and-the-lp/#comment-716419</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>So, Clark, the proper response is then to:

(A) Take it back

(B) Tell an adult

(C) Sit on the curb and cry.  After you've regained your composure ask your parents to take you to the store to buy a new ball and bat, and lie to both your parents and yourself about why.

(D) Forget about it.  You didn't like playing baseball anyway, right?


Sounds to me like there's plenty of (C) and/or (D) going on in this situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>So, Clark, the proper response is then to:</p>
	<p>(A) Take it back</p>
	<p>(B) Tell an adult</p>
	<p>(C) Sit on the curb and cry.  After you&#8217;ve regained your composure ask your parents to take you to the store to buy a new ball and bat, and lie to both your parents and yourself about why.</p>
	<p>(D) Forget about it.  You didn&#8217;t like playing baseball anyway, right?</p>
	<p>Sounds to me like there&#8217;s plenty of&#169; and/or (D) going on in this situation.</p>
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		<title>by: Carl M. Cocksucker</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/24/a-mock-funeral-for-barr-and-the-lp/#comment-715669</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/24/a-mock-funeral-for-barr-and-the-lp/#comment-715669</guid>
					<description>Milsted is one of those freaks who will kill his wife and himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Milsted is one of those freaks who will kill his wife and himself.</p>
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		<title>by: Clark</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/24/a-mock-funeral-for-barr-and-the-lp/#comment-715367</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>ANONYMOUTH SHITS: so the equivalent of a kid throwing a temper tantrum can take his ball and bat and go home. (END)

..'the ball and bat' have been STOLEN by some neighborhood cretins, dumbass.. 

THE OLD CROCKOFSHIT BLEATS: Don’t vote? Don’t Bitch. If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. (END)

...actually dummy, your stinking 'vote' for/affirmation of any number of goddamned republicrat skunks is part of 'the problem'..imagine, you dumb republicrat fucks, the effect of everyone doing what i'm going to do this november: stay home on election day and maybe curse every fucking republicrat politician on my local talk radio show! DON'T VOTE..IT ONLY ENCOURAGES THESE PIECES OF CRAP!!

ROGER LEE WRITES: &quot;This should have been the year that the LP made significant inroads into the mainstream mindset. Bob Barr did nothing but turn the casual voter even farther from ever even considering a third party. Of all the years to blow it, (END)

...exactly..and bile, good stuff too!.. ;o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span class="caps">ANONYMOUTH SHITS</span>: so the equivalent of a kid throwing a temper tantrum can take his ball and bat and go home. (END)</p>
	<p>..&#8217;the ball and bat&#8217; have been <span class="caps">STOLEN</span> by some neighborhood cretins, dumbass..</p>
	<p><span class="caps">THE OLD CROCKOFSHIT BLEATS</span>: Don&#8217;t vote? Don&#8217;t Bitch. If you&#8217;re not part of the solution, you&#8217;re part of the problem. (END)</p>
	<p>...actually dummy, your stinking &#8216;vote&#8217; for/affirmation of any number of goddamned republicrat skunks is part of &#8216;the problem&#8217;..imagine, you dumb republicrat fucks, the effect of everyone doing what i&#8217;m going to do this november: stay home on election day and maybe curse every fucking republicrat politician on my local talk radio show! <span class="caps">DON</span>&#8217;T <span class="caps">VOTE</span>..IT <span class="caps">ONLY ENCOURAGES THESE PIECES OF CRAP</span>!!</p>
	<p><span class="caps">ROGER LEE WRITES</span>: &#8220;This should have been the year that the LP made significant inroads into the mainstream mindset. Bob Barr did nothing but turn the casual voter even farther from ever even considering a third party. Of all the years to blow it, (END)</p>
	<p>...exactly..and bile, good stuff too!.. ;o)</p>
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		<title>by: David</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/24/a-mock-funeral-for-barr-and-the-lp/#comment-715318</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I am not a radical but am a registered Libertarian. I wont be voting for the freak Barr. In fact, from what I have seen from the LP I will be changing my registration on my next DMV visit. Sad the party of principle is dead. Well at least it got a proper funeral in NH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I am not a radical but am a registered Libertarian. I wont be voting for the freak Barr. In fact, from what I have seen from the <span class="caps">LP I</span> will be changing my registration on my next <span class="caps">DMV</span> visit. Sad the party of principle is dead. Well at least it got a proper funeral in NH.</p>
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		<title>by: George Phillies</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/24/a-mock-funeral-for-barr-and-the-lp/#comment-715295</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/24/a-mock-funeral-for-barr-and-the-lp/#comment-715295</guid>
					<description>Eric asks if I will condemn Seth Cohn's actions as described by Eric.

No.

Mock funerals are a two century old American tradition.

In my observation, Free Staters range from near-anarchists to conservative Republicans.

Seth:

Perhaps next time the LNC will listen.  Of course, that requires that there is a next time.

George</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Eric asks if I will condemn Seth Cohn&#8217;s actions as described by Eric.</p>
	<p>No.</p>
	<p>Mock funerals are a two century old American tradition.</p>
	<p>In my observation, Free Staters range from near-anarchists to conservative Republicans.</p>
	<p>Seth:</p>
	<p>Perhaps next time the <span class="caps">LNC</span> will listen.  Of course, that requires that there is a next time.</p>
	<p>George</p>
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		<title>by: Fascist Nation</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/24/a-mock-funeral-for-barr-and-the-lp/#comment-715173</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/24/a-mock-funeral-for-barr-and-the-lp/#comment-715173</guid>
					<description>The NLP has been dead for years, but it is nice to see some people won't give up on their patient even when ex?-Republicans Bob Barr/Wayne Allen Root become the Party's representatives on the national stage:

http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2008/tle471-20080608-02.html

All hail the kinder, gentler Libertarians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The <span class="caps">NLP</span> has been dead for years, but it is nice to see some people won&#8217;t give up on their patient even when ex?-Republicans Bob Barr/Wayne Allen Root become the Party&#8217;s representatives on the national stage:</p>
	<p><a href='http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2008/tle471-20080608-02.html' rel='nofollow'>http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2008/tle471-20080608-02.html</a></p>
	<p>All hail the kinder, gentler Libertarians.</p>
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