Comments on: Baldwin to speak at Freedom 21 Conference http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/26/baldwin-to-speak-at-freedom-21-conference/ Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:42:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.3 by: doghouse http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/26/baldwin-to-speak-at-freedom-21-conference/#comment-786273 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:49:28 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/26/baldwin-to-speak-at-freedom-21-conference/#comment-786273 It never ceases to amaze me how 'separation of church and state' is misunderstood. It is not in the Constitution, and Jefferson was not saying that religion and politics had to be separate. It is simply meaning that there was to be no State Church, such as the Church of England. Actually, those that mis-quote the phrase probably know exactly what was meant, but figure if they misuse it often enough, others will believe it. A good example of this is anti-gunners. They know exactly what the 2nd Amendment really means, but keep saying their crap, hoping to influence those ignorant of the subject, and hoping a judge, treaty, etc. goes along with it. It never ceases to amaze me how ‘separation of church and state’ is misunderstood. It is not in the Constitution, and Jefferson was not saying that religion and politics had to be separate. It is simply meaning that there was to be no State Church, such as the Church of England.

Actually, those that mis-quote the phrase probably know exactly what was meant, but figure if they misuse it often enough, others will believe it. A good example of this is anti-gunners. They know exactly what the 2nd Amendment really means, but keep saying their crap, hoping to influence those ignorant of the subject, and hoping a judge, treaty, etc. goes along with it.

]]> by: Larry Breazeale,Msgt.(ret.)USAF http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/26/baldwin-to-speak-at-freedom-21-conference/#comment-733928 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:31:46 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/26/baldwin-to-speak-at-freedom-21-conference/#comment-733928 YOUR outrageous accusations and ridiculas name calling ("satanic constitution?) is typical of your kind. You don't even know me, sunny boy. I have my Christian faith, it is my own personal business. I don't force it on anyone. You can believe in whatever you choose....Christian, Jew, Morman, Catholic, "sun God", whatever....I do not care. You have tried to TWIST everything I have said previously and add "lies" on top of it. Guess what! YOU do NOT have a monopoly on Jesus Christ. Millions of other people worship HIM in a variety of ways. You included. Millions have their own interpretations of the Bible as well. They have that right, just like YOU do and myself as well. I could care less just HOW you worship or how YOU interpret your beliefs. Atheists, sun-god worshipers, whatever, are allowed to live in this country too, in peace, to practice whatever they do. Yes, the USA was founded upon Christian/Judeo values and I am in full agreement with that. The 'founding fathers' were mostly Christian, thank God for that, however, they didn't 'bad mouth' the ones who were not, or did not share their faith."RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS" are found in ALL religions. YES, even atheists are welcome in the Constitution party because we understand that they may support most of our platform, maybe not all of it. They probably see a bigger picture and are not sweating the "small stuff", for the greater good. If YOU would bother to actually READ the platform of the Constitution Party.....even a blind man can figure it out!To 'religious zealots', I say this....if you don't like our platform or principles...go somewhere else. We do not need you. We are NOT the "RELIGION PARTY". Perhaps THAT is the kind of party YOU want. Good luck! You won't get very far with the average man & woman on the street. We in the Constitution party are very proud of our platform, our candidates and all the patriotic people across this republic that we are shoulder to shoulder with. I figure I am in very good company. -Larry Breazeale, Msgt.(ret.)USAF Nat. Chrm. NVC/CP YOUR outrageous accusations and ridiculas name calling (“satanic constitution?) is typical of your kind. You don’t even know me, sunny boy.
I have my Christian faith, it is my own personal business. I don’t force it on anyone. You can believe in whatever you choose….Christian, Jew, Morman, Catholic, “sun God”, whatever….I do not care. You have tried to TWIST everything I have said previously and add “lies” on top of it. Guess what! YOU do NOT have a monopoly on Jesus Christ. Millions of other people worship HIM in a variety of ways. You included. Millions have their own interpretations of the Bible as well. They have that right, just like YOU do and myself as well. I could care less just HOW you worship or how YOU interpret your beliefs. Atheists, sun-god worshipers, whatever, are allowed to live in this country too, in peace, to practice whatever they do. Yes, the USA was founded upon Christian/Judeo values and I am in full agreement with that. The ‘founding fathers’ were mostly Christian, thank God for that, however, they didn’t ‘bad mouth’ the ones who were not, or did not share their faith.”RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS” are found in ALL religions. YES, even atheists are welcome in the Constitution party because we understand that they may support most of our platform, maybe not all of it. They probably see a bigger picture and are not sweating the “small stuff”, for the greater good. If YOU would bother to actually READ the platform of the Constitution Party…..even a blind man can figure it out!To ‘religious zealots’, I say this….if you don’t like our platform or principles…go somewhere else. We do not need you. We are NOT the “RELIGION PARTY”.
Perhaps THAT is the kind of party YOU want. Good luck! You won’t get very far with the average man & woman on the street. We in the Constitution party are very proud of our platform, our candidates and all the patriotic people across this republic that we are shoulder to shoulder with. I figure I am in very good company.

-Larry Breazeale, Msgt.(ret.)USAF
Nat. Chrm. NVC/CP

]]> by: jim http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/26/baldwin-to-speak-at-freedom-21-conference/#comment-732541 Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:46:24 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/26/baldwin-to-speak-at-freedom-21-conference/#comment-732541 Baldwin is an IDOLATER - he worships the satanic Constitution. He does realize that the Constitution and the Declaration of 'Independence' were written in defiance of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. When will the "Constitution Party' wake from its secularist slumber and return the "United States' to the foundations of where she came from...the womb of Calvinism and true Godly rule! Baldwin is an IDOLATER - he worships the satanic Constitution. He does realize that the Constitution and the Declaration of ‘Independence’ were written in defiance of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

When will the “Constitution Party’ wake from its secularist slumber and return the “United States’ to the foundations of where she came from…the womb of Calvinism and true Godly rule!

]]> by: RRHeustisJr http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/26/baldwin-to-speak-at-freedom-21-conference/#comment-730701 Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:12:41 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/26/baldwin-to-speak-at-freedom-21-conference/#comment-730701 Larry Breazeale says: <i>Obviously, YOU do NOT have a life. </i> On the contrary, I have Jesus Christ, who is the Way, the Truth, and <b>The</b> Life. I am also married for nearly 11 years to my college sweetheart, and blessed with two beautiful daughters, a good paying job as an attorney, my own house, a principled Bible-believing church, relatively good health, a strong and loving family, recreational time to play golf and baseball with close friends, attend sporting events on a regular basis, and engage in so many other activities of interest. And I "do NOT have a life," you say? Please. You picked the wrong person against whom to offer that ding-dong accusation. I am <i>extremely</i> blessed, and owe every single one of my blessings that I enjoy to my Maker and King, the Lord Jesus Christ - the very one whom you implicitly belittle as nothing more important than a make believe science fiction sun god. Larry Breazeale says:
Obviously, YOU do NOT have a life.

On the contrary, I have Jesus Christ, who is the Way, the Truth, and The Life.

I am also married for nearly 11 years to my college sweetheart, and blessed with two beautiful daughters, a good paying job as an attorney, my own house, a principled Bible-believing church, relatively good health, a strong and loving family, recreational time to play golf and baseball with close friends, attend sporting events on a regular basis, and engage in so many other activities of interest.

And I “do NOT have a life,” you say?

Please. You picked the wrong person against whom to offer that ding-dong accusation.

I am extremely blessed, and owe every single one of my blessings that I enjoy to my Maker and King, the Lord Jesus Christ – the very one whom you implicitly belittle as nothing more important than a make believe science fiction sun god.

]]> by: RRHeustisJr http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/26/baldwin-to-speak-at-freedom-21-conference/#comment-730459 Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:22:11 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/26/baldwin-to-speak-at-freedom-21-conference/#comment-730459 Larry Breazeale writes: <i>You are not worth responding to.</i> But, the fact of the matter is... you did respond. Larry Breazeale also writes: <i>you are the very type of ‘nutjob’ religious zealot purist our CP does not need or want in our ranks.</i> Flip. Flop. Earlier in this thread, Mr. Breazeale proclaims, "We in the CP welcome <b>everyone,</b> even athiests, if they so desire." Later in the same thread, Mr. Breazeale backtracks: "[Y]ou are the very type of ‘nutjob’ religious zealot purist our CP <b>does not need or want </b> in our ranks." FLIP: Welcome everyone, including atheists. FLOP: No need for so-called "religious zealot purists." Thus prevails the bankrupt double-mindedness that is the pluralist Constitution Party. Larry Breazeale writes:

You are not worth responding to.

But, the fact of the matter is… you did respond.

Larry Breazeale also writes:

you are the very type of ‘nutjob’ religious zealot purist our CP does not need or want in our ranks.

Flip. Flop.

Earlier in this thread, Mr. Breazeale proclaims, “We in the CP welcome everyone, even athiests, if they so desire.”

Later in the same thread, Mr. Breazeale backtracks: “[Y]ou are the very type of ‘nutjob’ religious zealot purist our CP does not need or want in our ranks.”

FLIP: Welcome everyone, including atheists.

FLOP: No need for so-called “religious zealot purists.”

Thus prevails the bankrupt double-mindedness that is the pluralist Constitution Party.

]]> by: Larry Breazeale,Msgt.(ret.)USAF http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/26/baldwin-to-speak-at-freedom-21-conference/#comment-729447 Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:02:57 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/26/baldwin-to-speak-at-freedom-21-conference/#comment-729447 RRHEUSTIS JR. .......you have NO common sense whatsoever and, you are the very type of 'nutjob' religious zealot purist our CP does not need or want in our ranks.YOUR WORDS are proof enough. The gas that errupts from the hole in your face is typical of your kind. Obviously, YOU do NOT have a life. If voters do not embrace YOUR interpretation of the Bible or Christianity, you want to bannish them. You have a twisted sense of NO common sense. You are not worth responding to. -Larry Breazeale, Msgt. (ret.) USAF Deputy Sheriff "retired" Nat. Chrm. National Veterans Coalition, Constitution party...www.nvets.org RRHEUSTIS JR. .......you have NO common sense whatsoever and,
you are the very type of ‘nutjob’ religious zealot purist our CP does not need or want in our ranks.YOUR WORDS are proof enough. The gas that errupts from the hole in your face is typical of your kind. Obviously, YOU do NOT have a life. If voters do not embrace YOUR interpretation of the Bible or Christianity, you want to bannish them. You have a twisted sense of NO common sense. You are not worth responding to.

-Larry Breazeale, Msgt. (ret.) USAF
Deputy Sheriff “retired”
Nat. Chrm. National Veterans Coalition,
Constitution party…www.nvets.org

]]> by: RRHeustisJr http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/26/baldwin-to-speak-at-freedom-21-conference/#comment-727966 Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:38:07 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/26/baldwin-to-speak-at-freedom-21-conference/#comment-727966 Larry Breazeale says: <i>I don’t care if they worship a <b>sun god</b></i> as long as they support the “big picture”. It is impossible for anybody to see the big picture without a Biblical worldview. The "big picture" that Mr. Breazeale sees is that of a Pluralistic worldview where every false god is celebrated. Pluralism welcomes the worship of sun gods, moon gods, tree gods, and any and all created things, including heads of lettuce. According to Mr. Breazeale's description of his organization, the Constitution Party welcomes any and all worshipers of false and make believe gods; and will demonize any person who proclaims the Kingship of Jesus Christ over all aspects of life. Ladies and Gentlemen: welcome to your anti-Christ Constitution Party from the lips of the pluralist Old Guard. Larry Breazeale says:
I don’t care if they worship a sun god as long as they support the “big picture”.

It is impossible for anybody to see the big picture without a Biblical worldview. The “big picture” that Mr. Breazeale sees is that of a Pluralistic worldview where every false god is celebrated.

Pluralism welcomes the worship of sun gods, moon gods, tree gods, and any and all created things, including heads of lettuce.

According to Mr. Breazeale’s description of his organization, the Constitution Party welcomes any and all worshipers of false and make believe gods; and will demonize any person who proclaims the Kingship of Jesus Christ over all aspects of life.

Ladies and Gentlemen: welcome to your anti-Christ Constitution Party from the lips of the pluralist Old Guard.

]]> by: Don Grundmann http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/26/baldwin-to-speak-at-freedom-21-conference/#comment-727950 Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:31:37 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/26/baldwin-to-speak-at-freedom-21-conference/#comment-727950 " Both the pledge and our currency violate the seperation of church and state." Response : There is NO SUCH THING as " separation of church and state. This was written in a letter from Jefferson to a group of Baptists. It is a comment from Jefferson AND NOTHING MORE. ” Both the pledge and our currency violate the seperation of church and state.”

Response : There is NO SUCH THING as ” separation of church and state. This was written in a letter from Jefferson to a group of Baptists. It is a comment from Jefferson AND NOTHING MORE.

]]> by: Larry Breazeale,Msgt.(ret.)USAF http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/26/baldwin-to-speak-at-freedom-21-conference/#comment-727125 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:17:41 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/26/baldwin-to-speak-at-freedom-21-conference/#comment-727125 RRHEUSTIS JR., Dr. Gonzo and the rest of you airheads just don't get it! We welcome people into our party, we don't get people out because we may disagree on "fine tuning". If people see our platform and feel comfortable with it....fine welcome aboard. If not, don't let the door slap you on the back side on the way out. RELIGIOUS PURISTS &#38; ZEALOTS have tried to make a big thing about the NEVADA PARTY and the Morman connection. "THEY" bit off more than they could chew. They left the Constitution party. Good riddance! We don't need that kind of talk. We have all faiths in our party. I don't care if they worship a sun god as long as they support the "big picture". You guys are running around the burning house on fire and complaining that there is dust on the mantle! YOU guys are complete numbskulls. We are building the CP/AIP at the county level, state level and national level...with NO help from your kind, "thank you VERY much. LEAD, FOLLOW or GET OUT OF THE WAY. -Larry Breazeale, Msgt.(ret.)USAF Nat. Chrm. NATIONAL VETERANS COALITION, of the Constitution party...www.nvets.org, Chrm. Orange County Central Committee, American Independent Party RRHEUSTIS JR., Dr. Gonzo and the rest of you airheads just don’t get it!
We welcome people into our party, we don’t get people out because we may disagree on “fine tuning”. If people see our platform and feel comfortable with it….fine welcome aboard. If not, don’t let the door slap you on the back side on the way out. RELIGIOUS PURISTS & ZEALOTS have tried to make a big thing about the NEVADA PARTY and the Morman connection. “THEY” bit off more than they could chew. They left the Constitution party. Good riddance! We don’t need that kind of talk. We have all faiths in our party. I don’t care if they worship a sun god as long as they support the “big picture”. You guys are running around the burning house on fire and complaining that there is dust on the mantle! YOU guys are complete numbskulls. We are building the CP/AIP at the county level, state level and national level…with NO help from your kind, “thank you VERY much. LEAD, FOLLOW or GET OUT OF THE WAY.

-Larry Breazeale, Msgt.(ret.)USAF
Nat. Chrm. NATIONAL VETERANS COALITION,
of the Constitution party…www.nvets.org,
Chrm. Orange County Central Committee,
American Independent Party

]]> by: Dr.Gonzo http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/26/baldwin-to-speak-at-freedom-21-conference/#comment-726931 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:57:36 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/26/baldwin-to-speak-at-freedom-21-conference/#comment-726931 <i>However OUR money does indeed say “In God We Trust” and OUR Pledge does say “One Nation Under God”. America’s founders did not intend for there to be a separation of God and state. It is an absolute fact that all 50 states acknowledge God in their state constitutions</i> You do realize that "One nation under god" wasn't added until the 50's don't you? It wasn't in the original pledge. Both the pledge and our currency violate the seperation of church and state. And I provided a quote from Jefferson to show what was meant. Unless you are saying Jefferson was a liar. <i>This is a incredibly stupid nitwit attempt to proclaim that Christianity was not the foundational religion of the nation. The Founders were not talking about Buddists, Hindus, Muslims, Satanists, Druids, or any other religion than CHRISTIANITY. It is unbelievable how stupid the anti-God nitwits will be in their screeching against Christianity.</i> No that wasn't my intent at all so try to read more carefully from now on. I was directly stating what the Declaration said. It did not say "our creator." It says "their creator" which means each individual persons god. And many of the Founders were diests. I know Christians like to revise history as much as possible, but you cannot change this fact. However OUR money does indeed say “In God We Trust” and OUR Pledge does say “One Nation Under God”. America’s founders did not intend for there to be a separation of God and state. It is an absolute fact that all 50 states acknowledge God in their state constitutions

You do realize that “One nation under god” wasn’t added until the 50’s don’t you? It wasn’t in the original pledge. Both the pledge and our currency violate the seperation of church and state.

And I provided a quote from Jefferson to show what was meant. Unless you are saying Jefferson was a liar.

This is a incredibly stupid nitwit attempt to proclaim that Christianity was not the foundational religion of the nation. The Founders were not talking about Buddists, Hindus, Muslims, Satanists, Druids, or any other religion than CHRISTIANITY. It is unbelievable how stupid the anti-God nitwits will be in their screeching against Christianity.

No that wasn’t my intent at all so try to read more carefully from now on. I was directly stating what the Declaration said. It did not say “our creator.” It says “their creator” which means each individual persons god.

And many of the Founders were diests. I know Christians like to revise history as much as possible, but you cannot change this fact.

]]> by: Deran http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/26/baldwin-to-speak-at-freedom-21-conference/#comment-726848 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:20:02 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/26/baldwin-to-speak-at-freedom-21-conference/#comment-726848 Mr. Marzullo; I take it you didn't read the NYT article? had you, you would have read that this was not some alice in wonderland libertarian capitalist fantasy land; this was real world capitalism. Which is in no way abt equal exchange of labor for money. Especially when the workers are illegal. The illegal workers prepare your food and do the most horrendous jobs around, I don't see many Know Nothing jingoists seeking out slaughter house floor work for minimum wage, or less, with no occupational safety in place. I'm sure this abattoir is seeking new workers, if you are so gung-ho abt making sure WASPS have these jobs. Mr. Marzullo; I take it you didn’t read the NYT article? had you, you would have read that this was not some alice in wonderland libertarian capitalist fantasy land; this was real world capitalism. Which is in no way abt equal exchange of labor for money. Especially when the workers are illegal. The illegal workers prepare your food and do the most horrendous jobs around, I don’t see many Know Nothing jingoists seeking out slaughter house floor work for minimum wage, or less, with no occupational safety in place. I’m sure this abattoir is seeking new workers, if you are so gung-ho abt making sure WASPS have these jobs.

]]> by: Don Grundmann http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/26/baldwin-to-speak-at-freedom-21-conference/#comment-726477 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:47:35 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/26/baldwin-to-speak-at-freedom-21-conference/#comment-726477 " We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator The document states “their creator.” Which means whomever each individual decides to worship or not worship." Response : This is a incredibly stupid nitwit attempt to proclaim that Christianity was not the foundational religion of the nation. The Founders were not talking about Buddists, Hindus, Muslims, Satanists, Druids, or any other religion than CHRISTIANITY. It is unbelievable how stupid the anti-God nitwits will be in their screeching against Christianity. ” We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator

The document states “their creator.” Which means whomever each individual decides to worship or not worship.”

Response : This is a incredibly stupid nitwit attempt to proclaim that Christianity was not the foundational religion of the nation. The Founders were not talking about Buddists, Hindus, Muslims, Satanists, Druids, or any other religion than CHRISTIANITY. It is unbelievable how stupid the anti-God nitwits will be in their screeching against Christianity.

]]> by: Bill Lussenheide http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/26/baldwin-to-speak-at-freedom-21-conference/#comment-725448 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:00:21 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/26/baldwin-to-speak-at-freedom-21-conference/#comment-725448 Dr. Gonzo Wrote:Again, false. Another case of people warping a document to fit their agenda. The Declaration does not state “our Creator.” MY RESPONSE= However OUR money does indeed say "In God We Trust" and OUR Pledge does say "One Nation Under God". America's founders did not intend for there to be a separation of God and state. It is an absolute fact that all 50 states acknowledge God in their state constitutions. Nuff Said! Dr. Gonzo Wrote:Again, false. Another case of people warping a document to fit their agenda. The Declaration does not state “our Creator.”

MY RESPONSE= However OUR money does indeed say “In God We Trust” and OUR Pledge does say “One Nation Under God”. America’s founders did not intend for there to be a separation of God and state. It is an absolute fact that all 50 states acknowledge God in their state constitutions.

Nuff Said!

]]> by: Winnie the Poo http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/26/baldwin-to-speak-at-freedom-21-conference/#comment-725280 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:32:58 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/26/baldwin-to-speak-at-freedom-21-conference/#comment-725280 Since Sonny "Genocide, Nationalization" Landham was brought up: Libertarians Against Landham petition http://lancebrown.org/libertarians-against-landham-petition This just came out a few hours ago, not many signatures yet but you can sign if you agree. Since Sonny “Genocide, Nationalization” Landham was brought up:

Libertarians Against Landham petition

http://lancebrown.org/libertarians-against-landham-petition

This just came out a few hours ago, not many signatures yet but you can sign if you agree.

]]> by: Allen http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/26/baldwin-to-speak-at-freedom-21-conference/#comment-725182 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:43:30 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/07/26/baldwin-to-speak-at-freedom-21-conference/#comment-725182 Didn't the story failed to mention that Bob Barr will be speaking as well? Didn’t the story failed to mention that Bob Barr will be speaking as well?

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