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		<title>by: Mona Steele</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/08/09/barr-falls-short-in-west-virginia/#comment-1016510</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: Timothy West</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/08/09/barr-falls-short-in-west-virginia/#comment-781352</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/08/09/barr-falls-short-in-west-virginia/#comment-781352</guid>
					<description>'Clark':

how come you just wont answer my question? I want to know what YOU think  the value of a dollar is. Are you going to answer my question or not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8216;Clark&#8217;:</p>
	<p>how come you just wont answer my question? I want to know what <span class="caps">YOU</span> think  the value of a dollar is. Are you going to answer my question or not?</p>
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		<title>by: Thomas L. Knapp</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/08/09/barr-falls-short-in-west-virginia/#comment-780035</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/08/09/barr-falls-short-in-west-virginia/#comment-780035</guid>
					<description>Eric,

The supply sergeant at my old unit had a plaque on his desk. It read: &quot;Failure to plan on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.&quot;

If you had spent more time thinking about your arrangements for petitioner transportation and less time libeling Steve Kubby on the Internet while simultaneously expecting his friends to take up your slack, the situation in question would never have arisen.

I did not &quot;cost&quot; anyone anything, because I never &quot;indicated&quot; that I would do what you're pretending I &quot;indicated&quot; I'd do (any more than I had &quot;promised&quot; to do it as you previously falsely stated).

As a matter of fact, I &lt;em&gt;did&lt;/em&gt; give you the best assistance you could possibly have gotten -- I told you how to get that petitioner from the airport to East St. Louis in the way that was fastest, cheapest, most comfortable and required the least distraction on the part of anyone else working on the petition effort. I never had the &lt;em&gt;information&lt;/em&gt; with which to do anything beyond that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Eric,</p>
	<p>The supply sergeant at my old unit had a plaque on his desk. It read: &#8220;Failure to plan on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.&#8221;</p>
	<p>If you had spent more time thinking about your arrangements for petitioner transportation and less time libeling Steve Kubby on the Internet while simultaneously expecting his friends to take up your slack, the situation in question would never have arisen.</p>
	<p>I did not &#8220;cost&#8221; anyone anything, because I never &#8220;indicated&#8221; that I would do what you&#8217;re pretending I &#8220;indicated&#8221; I&#8217;d do (any more than I had &#8220;promised&#8221; to do it as you previously falsely stated).</p>
	<p>As a matter of fact, I <em>did</em> give you the best assistance you could possibly have gotten&#8212;I told you how to get that petitioner from the airport to East St. Louis in the way that was fastest, cheapest, most comfortable and required the least distraction on the part of anyone else working on the petition effort. I never had the <em>information</em> with which to do anything beyond that.</p>
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		<title>by: Eric Dondero</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/08/09/barr-falls-short-in-west-virginia/#comment-779687</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/08/09/barr-falls-short-in-west-virginia/#comment-779687</guid>
					<description>There is no Libertarian Party in Metro-East St. Louis.  That's why you got no phone call from them, and that's PRECISELY WHY I needed your help with this.

Bottom Line: You costed one of the Libertarian Party's best petitioners - ME - a full day's work, by not simply picking up Mike from Alaska that day at St. Louis Lambert Airport, as you originally indicated you would do.  If you had only picked him up, the LP would have had 250 to 300 more signatures for the LP IL drive.  

But you couldn't lift a friggin' finger to help, and worse, left me hanging at the very last minute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There is no Libertarian Party in Metro-East St. Louis.  That&#8217;s why you got no phone call from them, and that&#8217;s <span class="caps">PRECISELY WHY I</span> needed your help with this.</p>
	<p>Bottom Line: You costed one of the Libertarian Party&#8217;s best petitioners &#8211; <span class="caps">ME </span>- a full day&#8217;s work, by not simply picking up Mike from Alaska that day at St. Louis Lambert Airport, as you originally indicated you would do.  If you had only picked him up, the LP would have had 250 to 300 more signatures for the <span class="caps">LP IL</span> drive.</p>
	<p>But you couldn&#8217;t lift a friggin&#8217; finger to help, and worse, left me hanging at the very last minute.</p>
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		<title>by: Thomas L. Knapp</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/08/09/barr-falls-short-in-west-virginia/#comment-777862</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/08/09/barr-falls-short-in-west-virginia/#comment-777862</guid>
					<description>Eric,

Golly gee, you said I promised to pick people up at the airport. The fact is I did no such thing. Both before and after I declined to work with &lt;em&gt;you&lt;/em&gt;, I indicated that if someone from the Illinois LP wanted to get with me about arrival times, etc., I could probably help out. I never heard from anyone.

Even so, I gave you the information you needed to get them from where they would be (the airport) to where they needed to go (East St. Louis) in air-conditioned comfort with the fewest hassles for them or their host -- and dirt cheap to boot. From either terminal of Lambert Field, you can walk out the door, straight onto a train (one leaves every ten minutes) and arrive in East St. Louis a short time later for three bucks, having traveled the whole way in air-conditioned comfort. 

If I &lt;em&gt;had&lt;/em&gt; met the petitioners and escorted them, that's the way we would have traveled -- cheaper, less complicated and more comfortable than navigating the TSA checkpoints, paying for airport parking, etc. then jamming them into a car without air conditioning and letting them bake in urban traffic for an hour getting there.

If getting your petitioners from the airport to East St. Louis turned into a difficult and time-consuming operation, that's because you don't listen very well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Eric,</p>
	<p>Golly gee, you said I promised to pick people up at the airport. The fact is I did no such thing. Both before and after I declined to work with <em>you</em>, I indicated that if someone from the Illinois LP wanted to get with me about arrival times, etc., I could probably help out. I never heard from anyone.</p>
	<p>Even so, I gave you the information you needed to get them from where they would be (the airport) to where they needed to go (East St. Louis) in air-conditioned comfort with the fewest hassles for them or their host&#8212;and dirt cheap to boot. From either terminal of Lambert Field, you can walk out the door, straight onto a train (one leaves every ten minutes) and arrive in East St. Louis a short time later for three bucks, having traveled the whole way in air-conditioned comfort.</p>
	<p>If I <em>had</em> met the petitioners and escorted them, that&#8217;s the way we would have traveled&#8212;cheaper, less complicated and more comfortable than navigating the <span class="caps">TSA</span> checkpoints, paying for airport parking, etc. then jamming them into a car without air conditioning and letting them bake in urban traffic for an hour getting there.</p>
	<p>If getting your petitioners from the airport to East St. Louis turned into a difficult and time-consuming operation, that&#8217;s because you don&#8217;t listen very well.</p>
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		<title>by: Clark</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/08/09/barr-falls-short-in-west-virginia/#comment-777461</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/08/09/barr-falls-short-in-west-virginia/#comment-777461</guid>
					<description>TWICE WEST BLITHERS: &quot;Clark, what’s the value of a dollar? (END)

..pardon me for saying so, but....that's a really stoooooooooooopid question, west..

...of course, 'the value' of 'a dollar' is subjective, variable, etc...

...for example, to you that exotic 'tingling peepee cream,' of which you consume gallons/year, has more 'value' than the '25 dollars'/bottle you shell out..others wouldn't 'value' it at a stinking dime as they can get laid for free and don't have to frequently lather and skin their weasels for entertainment/relief..


...to dunder0, some 'dollars' have more 'value' than his time as a signature collector...so he exchanges his time and collects fucking signatures for some 'dollars'..

...if you're standing by a clear mountain stream, 'the dollar value' of a glass of water isn't much...but if you're dying of thirst in a desert that same glass of water, with some dirt in it, is probably pretty 'valuable'..

...get it, dummy?

...btw, i NEVER talk about 'the value' of a fucking 'dollar'..as would some goddamned fool...

...i try to communicate the hideous nature of 'our' money (issuance, etc..) system...and how YOU west, and, in my experience, most/all other republicrats are butt-ignorant here..

...unfortunately you, west, and other republicrats, appear worse than merely unaware of the fraudulent nature, origin, etc. of 'the money thing'..(maybe you somehow believe you understand all that is 'important' here)

...but i would bet big that if you ever do become aware...you will spend MUCH LESS of your precious time wondering 'why thing$ are the way they are'...

...wondering why, for example, you phony 'Libertarians' 'can't get any media,' etc. ad goddamned nau$eam...(btw, lately it pleases me you faux 'Libertarians' can't get any media) 

..but have an otherwi$e 'valuable' day, west, etcetercrats!.. ;o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span class="caps">TWICE WEST BLITHERS</span>: &#8220;Clark, what&#8217;s the value of a dollar? (END)</p>
	<p>..pardon me for saying so, but&#8230;.that&#8217;s a really stoooooooooooopid question, west..</p>
	<p>...of course, &#8216;the value&#8217; of &#8216;a dollar&#8217; is subjective, variable, etc&#8230;</p>
	<p>...for example, to you that exotic &#8216;tingling peepee cream,&#8217; of which you consume gallons/year, has more &#8216;value&#8217; than the &#8216;25 dollars&#8217;/bottle you shell out..others wouldn&#8217;t &#8216;value&#8217; it at a stinking dime as they can get laid for free and don&#8217;t have to frequently lather and skin their weasels for entertainment/relief..</p>
	<p>...to dunder0, some &#8216;dollars&#8217; have more &#8216;value&#8217; than his time as a signature collector&#8230;so he exchanges his time and collects fucking signatures for some &#8216;dollars&#8217;..</p>
	<p>...if you&#8217;re standing by a clear mountain stream, &#8216;the dollar value&#8217; of a glass of water isn&#8217;t much&#8230;but if you&#8217;re dying of thirst in a desert that same glass of water, with some dirt in it, is probably pretty &#8216;valuable&#8217;..</p>
	<p>...get it, dummy?</p>
	<p>...btw, i <span class="caps">NEVER</span> talk about &#8216;the value&#8217; of a fucking &#8216;dollar&#8217;..as would some goddamned fool&#8230;</p>
	<p>...i try to communicate the hideous nature of &#8216;our&#8217; money (issuance, etc..) system&#8230;and how <span class="caps">YOU</span> west, and, in my experience, most/all other republicrats are butt-ignorant here..</p>
	<p>...unfortunately you, west, and other republicrats, appear worse than merely unaware of the fraudulent nature, origin, etc. of &#8216;the money thing&#8217;..(maybe you somehow believe you understand all that is &#8216;important&#8217; here)</p>
	<p>...but i would bet big that if you ever do become aware&#8230;you will spend <span class="caps">MUCH LESS</span> of your precious time wondering &#8216;why thing$ are the way they are&#8217;...</p>
	<p>...wondering why, for example, you phony &#8216;Libertarians&#8217; &#8216;can&#8217;t get any media,&#8217; etc. ad goddamned nau$eam&#8230;(btw, lately it pleases me you faux &#8216;Libertarians&#8217; can&#8217;t get any media)</p>
	<p>..but have an otherwi$e &#8216;valuable&#8217; day, west, etcetercrats!.. ;o)</p>
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		<title>by: kenneth</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/08/09/barr-falls-short-in-west-virginia/#comment-776669</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>RE: Carl M Says:  August 10th, 2008 at 6:59 pm 
&quot;Adam: regarding the LP being the third largest political party, this may be untrue effectively, as it appears at least half the party is sitting on its hands. Go to google blogs and you will find very little interest in Barr—rather telling given the number of Libertarian bloggers.&quot;


No kidding. What Kant-loving anti-Black jerk do we have to thank for that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>RE: Carl M Says:  August 10th, 2008 at 6:59 pm<br />
&#8220;Adam: regarding the LP being the third largest political party, this may be untrue effectively, as it appears at least half the party is sitting on its hands. Go to google blogs and you will find very little interest in Barr&#8212;rather telling given the number of Libertarian bloggers.&#8221;</p>
	<p>No kidding. What Kant-loving anti-Black jerk do we have to thank for that?</p>
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		<title>by: kenneth</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/08/09/barr-falls-short-in-west-virginia/#comment-776662</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/08/09/barr-falls-short-in-west-virginia/#comment-776662</guid>
					<description>And what is West's relation with the attacks and government harrassment of the Canadian LP?

Who do you work for, Tim?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>And what is West&#8217;s relation with the attacks and government harrassment of the Canadian LP?</p>
	<p>Who do you work for, Tim?</p>
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		<title>by: kenneth</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/08/09/barr-falls-short-in-west-virginia/#comment-776661</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/08/09/barr-falls-short-in-west-virginia/#comment-776661</guid>
					<description>Yeah, Tomothy West's strategy is working great in his home state.

The problem is the LRC's relentless attacks and harrassment of Lib activists there. Now of course they'll blame those activists they kept out of the loop.

What about controls against phony signatures?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yeah, Tomothy West&#8217;s strategy is working great in his home state.</p>
	<p>The problem is the <span class="caps">LRC</span>&#8217;s relentless attacks and harrassment of Lib activists there. Now of course they&#8217;ll blame those activists they kept out of the loop.</p>
	<p>What about controls against phony signatures?</p>
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		<title>by: Timothy West</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/08/09/barr-falls-short-in-west-virginia/#comment-776587</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 02:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/08/09/barr-falls-short-in-west-virginia/#comment-776587</guid>
					<description>Clark, 

what's the value of a dollar?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Clark,</p>
	<p>what&#8217;s the value of a dollar?</p>
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		<title>by: Eric Dondero</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/08/09/barr-falls-short-in-west-virginia/#comment-776507</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/08/09/barr-falls-short-in-west-virginia/#comment-776507</guid>
					<description>The individual was coming in from Alaska.  Flew through Chicago.  Great way to start a petitioning job, 7 hour flight from Anchorage to Chicago, than another 2 hour flight from Chi to St. Louis, than be told by the local petitioners on the ground, &quot;find your own damn transportation... there's a bus you can catch... we ain't picking you up.&quot;  

Golly gee there Knapp, you really know how to inspire people to stand out in the hot sun and collect signatures all day long for the LP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The individual was coming in from Alaska.  Flew through Chicago.  Great way to start a petitioning job, 7 hour flight from Anchorage to Chicago, than another 2 hour flight from Chi to St. Louis, than be told by the local petitioners on the ground, &#8220;find your own damn transportation&#8230; there&#8217;s a bus you can catch&#8230; we ain&#8217;t picking you up.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Golly gee there Knapp, you really know how to inspire people to stand out in the hot sun and collect signatures all day long for the LP.</p>
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		<title>by: Thomas L. Knapp</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/08/09/barr-falls-short-in-west-virginia/#comment-775587</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/08/09/barr-falls-short-in-west-virginia/#comment-775587</guid>
					<description>Eric,

You write:

&quot;Ya know, I might even have the email exchanges on that. Let me go check…&quot;

No need to check. I checked before I responded, just to make sure that this wasn't the single time in all of recorded history that you were right about something when I was wrong about it.

On May 28th, you wrote, in an email to me:

&quot;Are you available to assist in any way with logistics, like airport runs from Lambert to East. St. Louis?&quot;

Almost immediately, I replied:

&quot;I may be able to help. I'll get back with you later today.&quot;

A few hours after that, after you publicly posted a number of blatant lies concerning one of your betters (which, by the way, is proper English as you would know if you were fluent in that language) which, from my perspective, constituted the straw that broke the camel's back, I wrote to you:

&quot;Go fuck yourself, or not -- but whichever you decide, stay the hell
away from me.&quot;

To which you replied:

&quot;Guess that means you're not going to be assisting our effort with Illinois.  We have some guys coming in this weekend.  That's okay, I'll do it myself.&quot;

And to which I in turn replied:

&quot;As long as I don't have to be around you to do that, I might still be willing to. Have someone else contact me about it if necessary, because after you receive this message I'm asking you to lose my email address.&quot;

Which, after a tirade demonstrating your aforementioned lack of acquaintance with English vocabulary and usage, I believe you did.

Nobody else contacted me about serving as a taxi driver to get people from Lambert to East St. Louis (which, as I had already mentioned to you, happen to be connected by light rail that's much quicker and probably cheaper than car transport in any case, with no need for passing said car through TSA roadblocks and paying as much for parking as it would cost to transport two petitioners on said train).

Regards,
Tom Knapp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Eric,</p>
	<p>You write:</p>
	<p>&#8220;Ya know, I might even have the email exchanges on that. Let me go check&#8230;&#8221;</p>
	<p>No need to check. I checked before I responded, just to make sure that this wasn&#8217;t the single time in all of recorded history that you were right about something when I was wrong about it.</p>
	<p>On May 28th, you wrote, in an email to me:</p>
	<p>&#8220;Are you available to assist in any way with logistics, like airport runs from Lambert to East. St. Louis?&#8221;</p>
	<p>Almost immediately, I replied:</p>
	<p>&#8220;I may be able to help. I&#8217;ll get back with you later today.&#8221;</p>
	<p>A few hours after that, after you publicly posted a number of blatant lies concerning one of your betters (which, by the way, is proper English as you would know if you were fluent in that language) which, from my perspective, constituted the straw that broke the camel&#8217;s back, I wrote to you:</p>
	<p>&#8220;Go fuck yourself, or not&#8212;but whichever you decide, stay the hell<br />
away from me.&#8221;</p>
	<p>To which you replied:</p>
	<p>&#8220;Guess that means you&#8217;re not going to be assisting our effort with Illinois.  We have some guys coming in this weekend.  That&#8217;s okay, I&#8217;ll do it myself.&#8221;</p>
	<p>And to which I in turn replied:</p>
	<p>&#8220;As long as I don&#8217;t have to be around you to do that, I might still be willing to. Have someone else contact me about it if necessary, because after you receive this message I&#8217;m asking you to lose my email address.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Which, after a tirade demonstrating your aforementioned lack of acquaintance with English vocabulary and usage, I believe you did.</p>
	<p>Nobody else contacted me about serving as a taxi driver to get people from Lambert to East St. Louis (which, as I had already mentioned to you, happen to be connected by light rail that&#8217;s much quicker and probably cheaper than car transport in any case, with no need for passing said car through <span class="caps">TSA</span> roadblocks and paying as much for parking as it would cost to transport two petitioners on said train).</p>
	<p>Regards,<br />
Tom Knapp</p>
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		<title>by: Eric Dondero</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/08/09/barr-falls-short-in-west-virginia/#comment-775221</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/08/09/barr-falls-short-in-west-virginia/#comment-775221</guid>
					<description>About my &quot;betters&quot;?  What in the hell does that mean?  I'm assuming you graduated high school.  Try some proper English next time in your posts.  

And yes, you most certainly did promise to pick those petitioners up at the airport in St. Louis and shuffle them back to Illinois.  And it wasn't for &quot;me&quot; it was for the Libertarian Party.  Too bad you skipped out on your pledge to help.  But then again, you're a anarchist Boston Tea Party partisan, not a real Libertarian.  

Ya know, I might even have the email exchanges on that.  Let me go check...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>About my &#8220;betters&#8221;?  What in the hell does that mean?  I&#8217;m assuming you graduated high school.  Try some proper English next time in your posts.</p>
	<p>And yes, you most certainly did promise to pick those petitioners up at the airport in St. Louis and shuffle them back to Illinois.  And it wasn&#8217;t for &#8220;me&#8221; it was for the Libertarian Party.  Too bad you skipped out on your pledge to help.  But then again, you&#8217;re a anarchist Boston Tea Party partisan, not a real Libertarian.</p>
	<p>Ya know, I might even have the email exchanges on that.  Let me go check&#8230;</p>
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		<title>by: Thomas L. Knapp</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/08/09/barr-falls-short-in-west-virginia/#comment-774620</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/08/09/barr-falls-short-in-west-virginia/#comment-774620</guid>
					<description>Eric,

Nice re-writing of history. I never promised to pick anyone up for you -- and it was I who ended our friendly acquaintance due to your repeated public lies about your betters.

And I'll call you anything I damn well please.

Regards,
Tom Knapp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Eric,</p>
	<p>Nice re-writing of history. I never promised to pick anyone up for you&#8212;and it was I who ended our friendly acquaintance due to your repeated public lies about your betters.</p>
	<p>And I&#8217;ll call you anything I damn well please.</p>
	<p>Regards,<br />
Tom Knapp</p>
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		<title>by: timothy west</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/08/09/barr-falls-short-in-west-virginia/#comment-774518</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 02:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Clark,

what's the value of a dollar?

seriously.... what is it? short and simple, please.</description>
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	<p>what&#8217;s the value of a dollar?</p>
	<p>seriously&#8230;. what is it? short and simple, please.</p>
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