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	<title>Comments on: Ventura says he may run in 2012</title>
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		<title>by: Dave Tyler</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/05/ventura-says-he-may-run-in-2012/#comment-876229</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/05/ventura-says-he-may-run-in-2012/#comment-876229</guid>
					<description>Take Ventura's remarks in their totality and don't cherry-pick.  Although cherry-picking doesn't make his remarks any less correct.

&quot;The fact that they didn’t charge bin Laden really proves nothing. Bin Laden’s own words were used to say he did it. What good is charging him going to do anyways.&quot;

Umm, because indictments are a standard part of the legal process.  It means you have evidence linking an individual to a crime.  And if you go to the FBI link there is ZERO reference to 9/11 for OBL.  Like him or not, Ventura is being factual.  Was the above a serious comment?  How old are you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Take Ventura&#8217;s remarks in their totality and don&#8217;t cherry-pick.  Although cherry-picking doesn&#8217;t make his remarks any less correct.</p>
	<p>&#8220;The fact that they didn&#8217;t charge bin Laden really proves nothing. Bin Laden&#8217;s own words were used to say he did it. What good is charging him going to do anyways.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Umm, because indictments are a standard part of the legal process.  It means you have evidence linking an individual to a crime.  And if you go to the <span class="caps">FBI</span> link there is <span class="caps">ZERO</span> reference to 9/11 for <span class="caps">OBL</span>.  Like him or not, Ventura is being factual.  Was the above a serious comment?  How old are you?</p>
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		<title>by: Dr.Gonzo</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/05/ventura-says-he-may-run-in-2012/#comment-876113</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/05/ventura-says-he-may-run-in-2012/#comment-876113</guid>
					<description>Well at least it took 48 seconds before Ventura mentioned he was a Navy Seal in that video.


The fact that they didn't charge bin Laden really proves nothing. Bin Laden's own words were used to say he did it. What good is charging him going to do anyways.


Let me see if I understand the argument. On one hand you guys claim this is the dumbest administration, but they are able to pull off the most elaborate inside job in history? 


The &quot;let it happen&quot; crowd has far more credibility and evidence than the people who believe the administration was behind it. 

Common sense will often reveal the true answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well at least it took 48 seconds before Ventura mentioned he was a Navy Seal in that video.</p>
	<p>The fact that they didn&#8217;t charge bin Laden really proves nothing. Bin Laden&#8217;s own words were used to say he did it. What good is charging him going to do anyways.</p>
	<p>Let me see if I understand the argument. On one hand you guys claim this is the dumbest administration, but they are able to pull off the most elaborate inside job in history?</p>
	<p>The &#8220;let it happen&#8221; crowd has far more credibility and evidence than the people who believe the administration was behind it.</p>
	<p>Common sense will often reveal the true answer.</p>
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		<title>by: Dave Tyler</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/05/ventura-says-he-may-run-in-2012/#comment-874680</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 08:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/05/ventura-says-he-may-run-in-2012/#comment-874680</guid>
					<description>Gonzo, Matthews proved what Ventura said at the rally was factual and your responses indicate you can't handle that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Gonzo, Matthews proved what Ventura said at the rally was factual and your responses indicate you can&#8217;t handle that.</p>
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		<title>by: Dr. Gonzo</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/05/ventura-says-he-may-run-in-2012/#comment-871560</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/05/ventura-says-he-may-run-in-2012/#comment-871560</guid>
					<description>As I said, I don't listen to anything the troofer douche Ventura says because he cannot engage in an honest debate. When he can stop saying &quot;were you a Navy Seal&quot; i'll begin to take him seriously.


I'm simply waiting on this so called evidence and facts you claim to have. None of which has been presented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As I said, I don&#8217;t listen to anything the troofer douche Ventura says because he cannot engage in an honest debate. When he can stop saying &#8220;were you a Navy Seal&#8221; i&#8217;ll begin to take him seriously.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;m simply waiting on this so called evidence and facts you claim to have. None of which has been presented.</p>
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		<title>by: Jay Matthews</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/05/ventura-says-he-may-run-in-2012/#comment-871402</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/05/ventura-says-he-may-run-in-2012/#comment-871402</guid>
					<description>The questionable aspects of flt. 77 are covered elsewhere at length and ad nauseum.  This post pertains to JV, not flt. 77, as you called JV a troofer douche.

Now about JV's points.......oh that's right, you have nothing to back up your &quot;troofer douche&quot; remark as JV is right about the FBI website so you changed the subject.

Wake up and good-bye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The questionable aspects of flt. 77 are covered elsewhere at length and ad nauseum.  This post pertains to JV, not flt. 77, as you called JV a troofer douche.</p>
	<p>Now about JV&#8217;s points&#8230;....oh that&#8217;s right, you have nothing to back up your &#8220;troofer douche&#8221; remark as JV is right about the <span class="caps">FBI</span> website so you changed the subject.</p>
	<p>Wake up and good-bye.</p>
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		<title>by: Dr. Gonzo</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/05/ventura-says-he-may-run-in-2012/#comment-871295</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/05/ventura-says-he-may-run-in-2012/#comment-871295</guid>
					<description>Again, the troofers bring no reasonable explanation to the table. The only thing they can do is discuss side issues.


I'm waiting for your explanation which you clearly have none. Obviously proof is not needed for the troofers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Again, the troofers bring no reasonable explanation to the table. The only thing they can do is discuss side issues.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;m waiting for your explanation which you clearly have none. Obviously proof is not needed for the troofers.</p>
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		<title>by: Jay Matthews</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/05/ventura-says-he-may-run-in-2012/#comment-871204</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/05/ventura-says-he-may-run-in-2012/#comment-871204</guid>
					<description>We're not discussing JV on numerous occassions, we're discussing his comments at the rally.  Again you evade his comments and attack him (proving JV right) because you have no reasonable response to the two points he brought up.  

You can go with whatever assumption you want about flight 77.  After all, you know more than actual pilots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>We&#8217;re not discussing JV on numerous occassions, we&#8217;re discussing his comments at the rally.  Again you evade his comments and attack him (proving JV right) because you have no reasonable response to the two points he brought up.</p>
	<p>You can go with whatever assumption you want about flight 77.  After all, you know more than actual pilots.</p>
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		<title>by: Dr. Gonzo</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/05/ventura-says-he-may-run-in-2012/#comment-871117</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/05/ventura-says-he-may-run-in-2012/#comment-871117</guid>
					<description>The hijacking of planes and ramming them into buildings would have been reason enough to pass that legislation. The buildings did not need to be pulled. Again, logic will prevail.

I have listened to Ventura on numerous occasions and his only response to when someone questions him is &quot;were you a Navy SEAL. I do not need to listen to his egotistical rants to know where he stnads.

I'll even go with the assumption that a plane did not hit the Pentagon. Now you tell me where it disappeared to. I'll be waiting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The hijacking of planes and ramming them into buildings would have been reason enough to pass that legislation. The buildings did not need to be pulled. Again, logic will prevail.</p>
	<p>I have listened to Ventura on numerous occasions and his only response to when someone questions him is &#8220;were you a Navy <span class="caps">SEAL</span>. I do not need to listen to his egotistical rants to know where he stnads.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;ll even go with the assumption that a plane did not hit the Pentagon. Now you tell me where it disappeared to. I&#8217;ll be waiting.</p>
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		<title>by: Jay Matthews</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/05/ventura-says-he-may-run-in-2012/#comment-870901</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/05/ventura-says-he-may-run-in-2012/#comment-870901</guid>
					<description>No, it couldn't have been accomplished.  Not w/o a genuine reason and the reason for the above (and you can throw in FISA too) is &quot;preventing the next 9/11&quot; and if you haven't heard that exact phrase you haven't been paying attention.

Now you attacked JV, still waiting on your reply to the above links.  As usual anti-truth people don't have one.  Whether one likes him or not the points JV made are entirely accurate.  

I never commented on flight 77.  However if you'd like to debate it with this group of people go right ahead:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html

But I know, you're more knowledgeable than these men and women because of the many hours you've spent flying commercial and military aircraft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>No, it couldn&#8217;t have been accomplished.  Not w/o a genuine reason and the reason for the above (and you can throw in <span class="caps">FISA</span> too) is &#8220;preventing the next 9/11&#8221; and if you haven&#8217;t heard that exact phrase you haven&#8217;t been paying attention.</p>
	<p>Now you attacked JV, still waiting on your reply to the above links.  As usual anti-truth people don&#8217;t have one.  Whether one likes him or not the points JV made are entirely accurate.</p>
	<p>I never commented on flight 77.  However if you&#8217;d like to debate it with this group of people go right ahead:</p>
	<p><a href='http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html' rel='nofollow'>http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html</a></p>
	<p>But I know, you&#8217;re more knowledgeable than these men and women because of the many hours you&#8217;ve spent flying commercial and military aircraft.</p>
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		<title>by: Dr.Gonzo</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/05/ventura-says-he-may-run-in-2012/#comment-870202</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/05/ventura-says-he-may-run-in-2012/#comment-870202</guid>
					<description>Jay,

Everything you mentioned could have been accomplished without pulling the towers. Nevermind the logistics make it impossible to do without anyone noticing.


Still waiting on you to tell me where Flight 77 went to.


As usual, logic isn't a troofers strong suit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Jay,</p>
	<p>Everything you mentioned could have been accomplished without pulling the towers. Nevermind the logistics make it impossible to do without anyone noticing.</p>
	<p>Still waiting on you to tell me where Flight 77 went to.</p>
	<p>As usual, logic isn&#8217;t a troofers strong suit.</p>
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		<title>by: Jay Matthews</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/05/ventura-says-he-may-run-in-2012/#comment-869058</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/05/ventura-says-he-may-run-in-2012/#comment-869058</guid>
					<description>No motive?  Please say you're kidding.

1.  An invasion of two countries, possibly three

2.  Patriot Act

3.  MCA

4.  DHS

5.  TSA

6.  HR 5122

You've proved you're a gutless know-nothing.  Now:

Here’s what JV was referring to:

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm

Here’s what JV said the at rally:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KqEErhR9-M&amp;#38;feature=related</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>No motive?  Please say you&#8217;re kidding.</p>
	<p>1.  An invasion of two countries, possibly three</p>
	<p>2.  Patriot Act</p>
	<p>3.  <span class="caps">MCA</span></p>
	<p>4.  <span class="caps">DHS</span></p>
	<p>5.  <span class="caps">TSA</span></p>
	<p>6.  <span class="caps">HR 5122</span></p>
	<p>You&#8217;ve proved you&#8217;re a gutless know-nothing.  Now:</p>
	<p>Here&#8217;s what JV was referring to:</p>
	<p><a href='http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm' rel='nofollow'>http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm</a></p>
	<p>Here&#8217;s what JV said the at rally:</p>
	<p><a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KqEErhR9-M&#038;feature=related' rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KqEErhR9-M&#038;feature=related</a></p>
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		<title>by: Dr.Gonzo</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/05/ventura-says-he-may-run-in-2012/#comment-868904</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/05/ventura-says-he-may-run-in-2012/#comment-868904</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;Hey Gonzo, you predictably do what every truth-hating jackass does when confronted w/something they can’t refute, try changing the subject.&lt;/i&gt;


Keep fighting the good fight there troofer. Loose Change is god and a failed fiction writer knows about engineering.


I'll tell you what, name another time in history when an airliner full of fuel crashed into steel buildings and I'll compare the two.


And no, there is no motive for an inside job of 9/11. Bush did not need to pull the towers to go to war with Iraq. The hijackings and crashing into buildings would have been reason enough to go to war with Iraq.


And I'm still waiting on one of you troofers to tell me where Flight 77 disappeared to. Since it didn't hit the Pentagon did a UFO come and abduct it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Hey Gonzo, you predictably do what every truth-hating jackass does when confronted w/something they can&#8217;t refute, try changing the subject.</i></p>
	<p>Keep fighting the good fight there troofer. Loose Change is god and a failed fiction writer knows about engineering.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;ll tell you what, name another time in history when an airliner full of fuel crashed into steel buildings and I&#8217;ll compare the two.</p>
	<p>And no, there is no motive for an inside job of 9/11. Bush did not need to pull the towers to go to war with Iraq. The hijackings and crashing into buildings would have been reason enough to go to war with Iraq.</p>
	<p>And I&#8217;m still waiting on one of you troofers to tell me where Flight 77 disappeared to. Since it didn&#8217;t hit the Pentagon did a <span class="caps">UFO</span> come and abduct it?</p>
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		<title>by: Dave Tyler</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/05/ventura-says-he-may-run-in-2012/#comment-868884</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/05/ventura-says-he-may-run-in-2012/#comment-868884</guid>
					<description>Joell, please send some links to back up your &quot;stealth operative&quot; stance.  Otherwise it's really just opinion.  

Writing books doesn't make one establishment.  Nader and Paul have probably authored or co-authored a dozen books combined, maybe more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Joell, please send some links to back up your &#8220;stealth operative&#8221; stance.  Otherwise it&#8217;s really just opinion.</p>
	<p>Writing books doesn&#8217;t make one establishment.  Nader and Paul have probably authored or co-authored a dozen books combined, maybe more.</p>
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		<title>by: joell</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/05/ventura-says-he-may-run-in-2012/#comment-864959</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 06:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/05/ventura-says-he-may-run-in-2012/#comment-864959</guid>
					<description>Dave Tyler
&quot;You’re painting a picture of Ventura like he was part of the establishment.&quot;

he always has been  a part of the establishment. just like michael moore, media benjamin, he's a stealth operative, an illusionary alternative to the status quo. 

&quot;He wasn’t when he was elected governor.&quot; 

you're confusing je$$e's schtick with facts. je$$e the candidate opposed NAFTA, je$$e the governor supported it &amp;#38; Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China; he went to China on behalf of $lick Willie Clinton.

He wrote two books , used state  provided security while promoting them &amp;#38; made lots of money...........like &quot;establishment&quot; politicians do

&quot;he’s not now.&quot; 

when he's out of office he reverts back to being the tough guy who will rock the boat.

Once in office, it didn't take the Reform  Party very long to see the real je$$e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Dave Tyler<br />
&#8220;You&#8217;re painting a picture of Ventura like he was part of the establishment.&#8221;</p>
	<p>he always has been  a part of the establishment. just like michael moore, media benjamin, he&#8217;s a stealth operative, an illusionary alternative to the status quo.</p>
	<p>&#8220;He wasn&#8217;t when he was elected governor.&#8221;</p>
	<p>you&#8217;re confusing je$$e&#8217;s schtick with facts. je$$e the candidate opposed <span class="caps">NAFTA</span>, je$$e the governor supported it &#038; Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China; he went to China on behalf of $lick Willie Clinton.</p>
	<p>He wrote two books , used state  provided security while promoting them &#038; made lots of money&#8230;........like &#8220;establishment&#8221; politicians do</p>
	<p>&#8220;he&#8217;s not now.&#8221;</p>
	<p>when he&#8217;s out of office he reverts back to being the tough guy who will rock the boat.</p>
	<p>Once in office, it didn&#8217;t take the Reform  Party very long to see the real je$$e</p>
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		<title>by: Jay Matthews</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/05/ventura-says-he-may-run-in-2012/#comment-864791</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 05:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/05/ventura-says-he-may-run-in-2012/#comment-864791</guid>
					<description>And if you still need credible evidence for a motive you're dumber than dirt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>And if you still need credible evidence for a motive you&#8217;re dumber than dirt.</p>
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