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		<title>by: George Dance</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/29/barr-breaks-1-million-barrier/#comment-951644</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 02:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Sorry, I meant ENM was the &quot;poster,&quot; not the &quot;author.&quot; The article about Dr. Phillies withdrawing, which quoted him as saying he was supporting Barr for President, was a reprint from his hometown newspaper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sorry, I meant <span class="caps">ENM</span> was the &#8220;poster,&#8221; not the &#8220;author.&#8221; The article about Dr. Phillies withdrawing, which quoted him as saying he was supporting Barr for President, was a reprint from his hometown newspaper.</p>
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		<title>by: George Dance</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/29/barr-breaks-1-million-barrier/#comment-951633</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 02:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/29/barr-breaks-1-million-barrier/#comment-951633</guid>
					<description>While my colleague Dr. Phillies protests that I am &quot;not telling the truth&quot; about his campaign, the only possible inaccuracy in my letter that he deals with is my claim that he was nominated as a &quot;placeholder&quot; by the LPNH convention. It may be that the party wanted Phillies on the November ballot, regardless of whom the national LP nominated; but if so I'd have to see some evidence of that. I will note that the LPNH executive, elected at that same convention, didn't see any such evidence; otherwise they wouldn't have &lt;b&gt; joined the Barr campaign in suing to have Dr. Phillies dropped from the ballot &lt;/b&gt; (a fact Dr. Phillies does not mention).

It is true that the state is disallowing ballot substitution; but in that case the Barr/LPNH lawsuit is hardly &quot;pointless&quot; (as Dr. Phillies claims). If third parties are going to both comply with the petitioning law, and hold nominating conventions at a time when there is public and media interest in the election, then substitution is essential. That's an issue in more states than NH (see eg PA, where the GOP is trying to keep Barr off the ballot with a spurious suit claiming the substitution there was a &quot;fraud&quot;), and in more years than 2008.

As for the rest, Dr. Phillies goes into points I never mentioned. Methinks he is protesting too much. Perhaps he has a guilty conscience on this. He certainly has been close-mouthed about his decision to actively campaign on the BTP ticket: this is the first time in more than a month that I've seen him write anything on it. He didn't even mention it at the anti-Barr sites he frequents: for example, on the very day the BTP announced the news, Last Free voice was carrying an article on how Dr. Phillies was withdrawing from the race and supporting Barr; the author, ENM, confirmed with me that she knew nothing about any Phillies/BTP alliance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>While my colleague Dr. Phillies protests that I am &#8220;not telling the truth&#8221; about his campaign, the only possible inaccuracy in my letter that he deals with is my claim that he was nominated as a &#8220;placeholder&#8221; by the <span class="caps">LPNH</span> convention. It may be that the party wanted Phillies on the November ballot, regardless of whom the national LP nominated; but if so I&#8217;d have to see some evidence of that. I will note that the <span class="caps">LPNH</span> executive, elected at that same convention, didn&#8217;t see any such evidence; otherwise they wouldn&#8217;t have <b> joined the Barr campaign in suing to have Dr. Phillies dropped from the ballot </b> (a fact Dr. Phillies does not mention).</p>
	<p>It is true that the state is disallowing ballot substitution; but in that case the Barr/LPNH lawsuit is hardly &#8220;pointless&#8221; (as Dr. Phillies claims). If third parties are going to both comply with the petitioning law, and hold nominating conventions at a time when there is public and media interest in the election, then substitution is essential. That&#8217;s an issue in more states than <span class="caps">NH </span>(see eg PA, where the <span class="caps">GOP</span> is trying to keep Barr off the ballot with a spurious suit claiming the substitution there was a &#8220;fraud&#8221;), and in more years than 2008.</p>
	<p>As for the rest, Dr. Phillies goes into points I never mentioned. Methinks he is protesting too much. Perhaps he has a guilty conscience on this. He certainly has been close-mouthed about his decision to actively campaign on the <span class="caps">BTP</span> ticket: this is the first time in more than a month that I&#8217;ve seen him write anything on it. He didn&#8217;t even mention it at the anti-Barr sites he frequents: for example, on the very day the <span class="caps">BTP</span> announced the news, Last Free voice was carrying an article on how Dr. Phillies was withdrawing from the race and supporting Barr; the author, <span class="caps">ENM</span>, confirmed with me that she knew nothing about any Phillies/BTP alliance.</p>
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		<title>by: Clark</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/29/barr-breaks-1-million-barrier/#comment-950394</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/29/barr-breaks-1-million-barrier/#comment-950394</guid>
					<description>...some working theories from &quot;THE CLARK INSTITUTE FOR EXPOSING REPUBLICRAT MONETARY IGNORAMUSSES&quot; :

...for whatever reasons, it seems most/all 'political' 'groups,' 'parties,' deteriorate.. as the worst among them/us tend to gravitate towards 'the top positions/positions of power/etc...

...furthermore, thoughtful, decent people tend to avoid the fucking scumbags, knuckleheads, etc. that tend to float to 'the top' in 'politics'...so we have an awful cesspool here..

...it seems even my favorite, the LP, has a majority of people in 'leadership positions' who can't get through their thick skulls that:

1.) one or two or even 10 or 100 million fucking, stinking 'dollars' is but a fart in a cat. 6 hurricane, you dumb republicrat fucks!! (nevermind that you republicrat dopes don't even understand the origin, nature, etc. of even one 'dollar') Rush stinking Limbaugh, etc. republicrat media cheerleaders galore burn through that in a couple of segments of their 'shows'--SHOWS WHICH AMOUNT TO NOTHING MORE THAN PRO- STINKING REPUBLICAN/CRAT PARTY COMMERCIAL$...

...AND THE MOST POPULAR &quot;LIBERTARIAN&quot; ON THE AIR IS A REPUBLICRAT FUCK-HEAD BY THE NAME OF KNEEL BOORTZ WHO SUCKS REPUBLICAN PEEPEE!..and who harms any decent 'libertarian' cause with his loud ignorance.. 

2.) that the current republicrat 'political/election specter' is A FUCKING FRAUD...'politics,' you dumb republicrat fucks, ought to amount to an HONEST, VIGOROUS 'competition of ideas about government'..you will note, for example, that in honest, vigorous, sports competitions the MANY PARTICIPANTS 'GO AT IT' HEAD-TO-HEAD, FREQUENTLY...WITH ANY CHEERLEADERS, ANNOUNCERS, etc. SECONDARY TO 'THE GAME' 'ON THE FIELD.'

...BUT IN THESE STINKING, FUCKING, PHONY, &quot;POLITICAL COMPETITIONS&quot; THE VERY FEW 'VIABLE&quot; PARTICIPANTS RUN FROM HONEST, VIGOROUS DEBATE/COMPETITION OF IDEAS WHILST THE FUCKING REPUBLICRAT CHEERLEADERS AND ANNOUNCERS ARE THE PRIMARY FOCUS OF THE FRAUDULENT EVENT!!

...but have a good day...and thank-you, tpw! that felt good!.. ;o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>...some working theories from &#8220;THE <span class="caps">CLARK INSTITUTE FOR EXPOSING REPUBLICRAT MONETARY IGNORAMUSSES</span>&#8221; :</p>
	<p>...for whatever reasons, it seems most/all &#8216;political&#8217; &#8216;groups,&#8217; &#8216;parties,&#8217; deteriorate.. as the worst among them/us tend to gravitate towards &#8216;the top positions/positions of power/etc&#8230;</p>
	<p>...furthermore, thoughtful, decent people tend to avoid the fucking scumbags, knuckleheads, etc. that tend to float to &#8216;the top&#8217; in &#8216;politics&#8217;...so we have an awful cesspool here..</p>
	<p>...it seems even my favorite, the LP, has a majority of people in &#8216;leadership positions&#8217; who can&#8217;t get through their thick skulls that:</p>
	<p>1.) one or two or even 10 or 100 million fucking, stinking &#8216;dollars&#8217; is but a fart in a cat. 6 hurricane, you dumb republicrat fucks!! (nevermind that you republicrat dopes don&#8217;t even understand the origin, nature, etc. of even one &#8216;dollar&#8217;) Rush stinking Limbaugh, etc. republicrat media cheerleaders galore burn through that in a couple of segments of their &#8216;shows&#8217;&#8212;SHOWS <span class="caps">WHICH AMOUNT TO NOTHING MORE THAN PRO</span>- STINKING <span class="caps">REPUBLICAN</span>/CRAT <span class="caps">PARTY COMMERCIAL</span>$...</p>
	<p>...AND <span class="caps">THE MOST POPULAR </span>&#8220;LIBERTARIAN&#8221; <span class="caps">ON THE AIR IS A REPUBLICRAT FUCK</span>-HEAD <span class="caps">BY THE NAME OF KNEEL BOORTZ WHO SUCKS REPUBLICAN PEEPEE</span>!..and who harms any decent &#8216;libertarian&#8217; cause with his loud ignorance..</p>
	<p>2.) that the current republicrat &#8216;political/election specter&#8217; is <span class="caps">A FUCKING FRAUD</span>&#8230;&#8217;politics,&#8217; you dumb republicrat fucks, ought to amount to an <span class="caps">HONEST</span>, VIGOROUS &#8216;competition of ideas about government&#8217;..you will note, for example, that in honest, vigorous, sports competitions the <span class="caps">MANY PARTICIPANTS </span>&#8216;GO <span class="caps">AT IT</span>&#8217; <span class="caps">HEAD</span>-TO-HEAD, <span class="caps">FREQUENTLY</span>&#8230;WITH <span class="caps">ANY CHEERLEADERS</span>, ANNOUNCERS, etc. <span class="caps">SECONDARY TO </span>&#8216;THE <span class="caps">GAME</span>&#8217; &#8216;ON <span class="caps">THE FIELD</span>.&#8217;</p>
	<p>...BUT <span class="caps">IN THESE STINKING</span>, FUCKING, <span class="caps">PHONY</span>, &#8220;POLITICAL <span class="caps">COMPETITIONS</span>&#8221; <span class="caps">THE VERY FEW </span>&#8216;VIABLE&#8221; <span class="caps">PARTICIPANTS RUN FROM HONEST</span>, VIGOROUS <span class="caps">DEBATE</span>/COMPETITION <span class="caps">OF IDEAS WHILST THE FUCKING REPUBLICRAT CHEERLEADERS AND ANNOUNCERS ARE THE PRIMARY FOCUS OF THE FRAUDULENT EVENT</span>!!</p>
	<p>...but have a good day&#8230;and thank-you, tpw! that felt good!.. ;o)</p>
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		<title>by: Craig</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/29/barr-breaks-1-million-barrier/#comment-949166</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 04:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/29/barr-breaks-1-million-barrier/#comment-949166</guid>
					<description>Didn't Ron Paul raise a million dollars in four hours once?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Didn&#8217;t Ron Paul raise a million dollars in four hours once?</p>
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		<title>by: disinter</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/29/barr-breaks-1-million-barrier/#comment-949158</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 04:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/29/barr-breaks-1-million-barrier/#comment-949158</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;METHINKS JOELL HAS IT RIGHT: “ps…..barr is a stealth GOP operative and has set the LP party back 20 yrs by alienating core supporters. mission accomplished!” &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Agreed.</description>
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<blockquote><span class="caps">METHINKS JOELL HAS IT RIGHT</span>: &#8220;ps&#8230;..barr is a stealth <span class="caps">GOP</span> operative and has set the LP party back 20 yrs by alienating core supporters. mission accomplished!&#8221; </blockquote></p>
	<p>Agreed.</p>
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		<title>by: Winston Smith</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/29/barr-breaks-1-million-barrier/#comment-949030</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 03:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/29/barr-breaks-1-million-barrier/#comment-949030</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;The old guard of the LP had 35 fricken years to get something done. How did it work for us? Happy with all the people they elected?&lt;/i&gt;



At least someone else gets it.


The people who originally joined had no intentions of the party ever growing. They understood nothing about politics or how to give a message to the American people. Hence the reason we are just now becoming mainstream.


We will look back to Barr and remember him as the candidate who finally put this party into mainstream politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>The old guard of the LP had 35 fricken years to get something done. How did it work for us? Happy with all the people they elected?</i></p>
	<p>At least someone else gets it.</p>
	<p>The people who originally joined had no intentions of the party ever growing. They understood nothing about politics or how to give a message to the American people. Hence the reason we are just now becoming mainstream.</p>
	<p>We will look back to Barr and remember him as the candidate who finally put this party into mainstream politics.</p>
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		<title>by: GREEN DAD</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/29/barr-breaks-1-million-barrier/#comment-948724</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 01:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/29/barr-breaks-1-million-barrier/#comment-948724</guid>
					<description>Let’s end September strong , please donate as much as you can afford.
www.bobbarr20083com  The support has been tremendous as you know for those that have been involved in the campaign the last week.

Please urge everyone to donate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Let&#8217;s end September strong , please donate as much as you can afford.<br />
www.bobbarr20083com  The support has been tremendous as you know for those that have been involved in the campaign the last week.</p>
	<p>Please urge everyone to donate</p>
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		<title>by: BuckeyeKned</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/29/barr-breaks-1-million-barrier/#comment-948380</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/29/barr-breaks-1-million-barrier/#comment-948380</guid>
					<description>Jstil and Brian D:  &quot;Thank you&quot;  I couldn't say it any better.  

LP train left the Denver station in late May and we might as well just run over the knuckleheads in the way.  The old guard of the LP had 35 fricken years to get something done. How did it work for us?  Happy with all the people they elected?  
I don't have 35 years left to wait for some LP debate club to determine who sits in what deck chair.   Therefore, the revolution and &quot;new&quot; libertarian party is so darn refreshing that I feel invigorated again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Jstil and Brian D:  &#8220;Thank you&#8221;  I couldn&#8217;t say it any better.</p>
	<p>LP train left the Denver station in late May and we might as well just run over the knuckleheads in the way.  The old guard of the LP had 35 fricken years to get something done. How did it work for us?  Happy with all the people they elected?<br />
I don&#8217;t have 35 years left to wait for some LP debate club to determine who sits in what deck chair.   Therefore, the revolution and &#8220;new&#8221; libertarian party is so darn refreshing that I feel invigorated again.</p>
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		<title>by: Tom Bryant</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/29/barr-breaks-1-million-barrier/#comment-948180</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/29/barr-breaks-1-million-barrier/#comment-948180</guid>
					<description>Badnarik only raised a million dollars, Barr is raising more money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Badnarik only raised a million dollars, Barr is raising more money.</p>
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		<title>by: Brian D</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/29/barr-breaks-1-million-barrier/#comment-947872</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/29/barr-breaks-1-million-barrier/#comment-947872</guid>
					<description>Way to be a team player Phillies. Are you sure your head fits into the room where your computer is are does someone else do the typing for you? Your candidacy has always been a joke. Your political cult looks and sounds like LaRouche's only you are the only one who writes posts for yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Way to be a team player Phillies. Are you sure your head fits into the room where your computer is are does someone else do the typing for you? Your candidacy has always been a joke. Your political cult looks and sounds like LaRouche&#8217;s only you are the only one who writes posts for yourself.</p>
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		<title>by: faeriejems</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/29/barr-breaks-1-million-barrier/#comment-947355</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/29/barr-breaks-1-million-barrier/#comment-947355</guid>
					<description>Registered Republican:  Keep guessing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Registered Republican:  Keep guessing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>by: George Dance</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/29/barr-breaks-1-million-barrier/#comment-947227</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/29/barr-breaks-1-million-barrier/#comment-947227</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt; Where’s all the barfers that were claiming Barf would raise 100 million when this scam of a campaign began? &lt;/i&gt;

In your fantasies, where they always were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i> Where&#8217;s all the barfers that were claiming Barf would raise 100 million when this scam of a campaign began? </i></p>
	<p>In your fantasies, where they always were.</p>
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		<title>by: Registered Republican</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/29/barr-breaks-1-million-barrier/#comment-947217</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/29/barr-breaks-1-million-barrier/#comment-947217</guid>
					<description>I just received word that faeriejems is actually Lowell, how low can you go</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I just received word that faeriejems is actually Lowell, how low can you go</p>
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		<title>by: Registered Republican</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/29/barr-breaks-1-million-barrier/#comment-947215</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/29/barr-breaks-1-million-barrier/#comment-947215</guid>
					<description>one million votes would be great for Barr and another million for Nader as well.  I hope millions of people vote for Third Parties thus sending a strong message</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>one million votes would be great for Barr and another million for Nader as well.  I hope millions of people vote for Third Parties thus sending a strong message</p>
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		<title>by: JT</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/29/barr-breaks-1-million-barrier/#comment-947161</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/09/29/barr-breaks-1-million-barrier/#comment-947161</guid>
					<description>Winston, have you ever heard of Harry Browne? He was the LP candidate for president in 1996 and 2000, though he has since passed away. You should look him up. As I said in my last post, he had already raised $1 million by the time of the LP convention in 2000. He also was a guest on Fox News constantly--at least a dozen times during his campaign. He ended up receiving fewer than half a million votes in the election. 

Again, I think Bob Barr will receive about one million votes in the election, which would make him the highest vote-getter the LP has ever had. Of course, that would just be a footnote to the election. It probably won't even be enough votes for third place, given Ralph Nader's candidacy. And it's not going to cause a massive influx of people to the LP after the election is over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Winston, have you ever heard of Harry Browne? He was the LP candidate for president in 1996 and 2000, though he has since passed away. You should look him up. As I said in my last post, he had already raised $1 million by the time of the LP convention in 2000. He also was a guest on Fox News constantly&#8212;at least a dozen times during his campaign. He ended up receiving fewer than half a million votes in the election.</p>
	<p>Again, I think Bob Barr will receive about one million votes in the election, which would make him the highest vote-getter the LP has ever had. Of course, that would just be a footnote to the election. It probably won&#8217;t even be enough votes for third place, given Ralph Nader&#8217;s candidacy. And it&#8217;s not going to cause a massive influx of people to the LP after the election is over.</p>
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