Comments on: Libertarian in drive against Massachusetts income tax

by: Clark

Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:44:23 +0000

..as any decent libertarian i know understands, ‘pollution’ is a form of ‘trespass’..

...of course, true crimes like trespass will receive much less attention when court, etc., re$ource$ are diverted in prosecuting their fucking, miserable, republicrat drug war, fucking state marriages, divorces, ‘tax’ violations, etc. ad goddamned nauseam…

...you republicrats appear some awful stoooooooooooooopod fucks at times!...

...but have a good day!..

by: Michael Seebeck

Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:54:16 +0000

On behalf of the five retired racing greyhounds that I own and have owned, I hope Question 3 fails. Too many tracks are already closing and that is putting the breed in danger.

And Nancy is right. Here in SoCal it is mess, created by liberal policies and utter stupidity. The latest one was MSN of pets in LAC that went into effect today. How fast the stray populations increase remains to be seen.

by: Nancy

Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:40:01 +0000

While I certainly disagree with Richgriffin on the Mass. proposition 1, I still don’t understand why being a libertarian has to equal hurting the environment. I’m all for lower taxes and lean government, but I also live in Los Angeles and see daily the effect we’ve had on the air quality, native specieis, people’s quality of life. It’s easy for people in less populated states to be skeptic. You don’t see this crap – literally in the air, the water and on the ground, each and every day. You guys think we are just supposed to suck it up?

by: JustAHoax

Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:23:38 +0000

Richgriffin Says:

“If it weren’t for the government everyone would be killed. If a majority of the people voted to end the income tax, the corrupt state legislature would overturn it, finally killing the idea that citizens have any say in how the state is run.”

This seems remarkably similar to the excuse that congress should pass the bailout because the citizens who are against it don’t know what is best for them. I may be selfish, but you are a fascist.

by: Clark

Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:32:34 +0000

...why would anyone with any brains care what republicrat richgriffin or any other republicrat dummies—including some/many ‘LP republicrats’ too—think about ANY issue involving ‘dollars?’

...it seems obvious to me you republicrat dummies TRULY don’t even know/understand the origin, nature, etc. of even one fucking ‘dollar!’ (more accurately described as a ‘federal reserve token’)

...just the facts, republicrats!.. ;o)

by: Richgriffin

Wed, 01 Oct 2008 07:00:43 +0000

Actually, deregulation of environmental protections could very well kill everybody on the planet! The selfishness of your arguments is mind-boggling! I’m certain if this were to pass the legislature would do the right thing and overturn it immediately.

by: Brian Holtz

Wed, 01 Oct 2008 03:29:30 +0000

http://knowinghumans.net/2008/03/libertarian-safety-net.html

by: George Phillies

Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:20:23 +0000

Richgriffin has an excellent point. I mean, what would the people of Massachusetts do without their State Golf Courses? What would the bureaucrats of Massachusetts, those whose duties do not seem to include exploring our unpaved woodland roads, do without their four wheel drive SUVs? You know, the ones that were seized a recent time the state was sued successfully? [Disclaimer: I urged that our campus police where I work should have at least one 4 wheel drive vehicle, and it really has paid off.]

Remember, it is not that many years since our state budget was 40% lower than it is now.

by: William

Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:20:51 +0000

Richgriffin, I think the flaw of your argument is that you seem to believe that ONLY the government is capable of doing good works, that ONLY the government is capable of caring for those in need. If the general public on a personal level can’t be trusted to do the right thing and help those in need, then what makes you think that big government, with its elected officials from that SAME body of people who can’t be trusted, will do the right thing? If the flaws of selfishness are found in each individual, how much more amplified are they on a massive scale when we’re talking about the government? I’m not saying that you have to be a libertarian or anything either—you can believe whatever you want to believe, it’s your decision—I’m just saying, to generalize that all of us who desire for freedom are nothing more than rich (which I most certainly am not—my take-home pay is less than $18,000 per year), spoiled, selfish people, is a bit unfair to say the least.

You say that libertarian philosophy could kill millions of people, but I would say that aggressive regulations on the environment (which I’m sure you favor) would potentially send the third world countries back into the stone age, and kill millions of people. What is more dangerous? Freedom, or the regulations that attempt to curtail it?

by: Richgriffin

Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:10:11 +0000

I have several friends who are disabled and do not earn any money. Exactly what safety net if any should they have? How will they pay for their expensive drug therapies? Your beliefs are selfish, greedy, and unworkable.

by: Andy

Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:47:56 +0000

“Richgriffin Says:

September 29th, 2008 at 9:43 am
I live in Massachusetts and I am voting AGAINST it. Libertarians don’t understand that we need these funds for our safety net. While I agree that the commonwealth needs to make CHANGES in their spending habits, and more importantly, in their disgraceful “bottling up” of effective legislation in committees, this initiative is not the answer. Libertarians don’t realize that their policy positions have the very real potential of killing people who need a safety net – the fantasy that others will step up to the plate and help others is just not the way it would work in the real world. VOTE NO ON 1! (more importantly: VOTE YES ON 3!)”

I believe that people should be able to keep all of the money that they earn so they can provide their own safety nets.

by: Richgriffin

Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:49:51 +0000

We are talking about $12 billion and 40% of the commonwealth’s budget! Even if it were to pass, it would be completely irresponsible for the State Legislature to do anything else but to overturn it immediately. (And believe me: that will happen!) Voters get easily seduced by the less taxes mantra. I definitely believe that tax laws ought to be changed in a progressive manner. But Libertarian insanity is not the answer. I will work aggressively towards the defeat of this bill. VOTE NO ON 1! VOTE YES ON 3!

by: Clark

Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:00:23 +0000

...richgriffin appears yet another republicrat ignoramu$ working his cake chute about some illion-DOLLAR ‘safety net’...when the brainwashed republicrat dummy appears worse than ignorant as to the origin, nature, etc., of even one ‘DOLLAR’..

..of course, i believe you’ll find that most/all proponents of this proposed illion-DOLLAR ‘tax cut’ in mass. are fundamentally ignorant of the origin, nature, etc., of even one ‘DOLLAR’ too..

...massive mass.hole ooga booga..(but i’d love the opportunity to vote YES!!)...it’d give me a reason to ‘vote!’..as in my state only republicrap will ‘make the ballot’..

by: Richgriffin

Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:31:34 +0000

This is why Libertarians are so scary! They have $$$ and have no idea what it’s like not to have it. It’s a very dangerous ideology. The arrogance and fantasy thinking are easy to understand when you realize they live in an entirely insulated worldview. Even if this were to pass there is no way it would actually happen anyway because there are safeguards and it would be overturned legislatively. We certainly have the votes in our legislature! It’s an idiotic proposal.

by: Derrick

Tue, 30 Sep 2008 03:52:52 +0000

Richgriffin, if the state wants to help poor people, the best thing it can do is to stop creating so many of them. Drop an extra $3200 in the pocket of every MA taxpayer, and it will lift the general level of prosperity in the state. You’ll simultaneously have a lot fewer poor people who need help, and a lot more people who are in a position to help them.