Constitution Party Presidential Vote compared- 2004 to 2008

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In 2004, Constitution Party presidential nominee Michael Peroutka was on the ballot in states containing 66.4% of the national presidential vote. Where he was on the ballot, he polled .173% of the total presidential vote in those places.

In 2008, Constitution Party presidential nominee Chuck Baldwin was on the ballot in states containing 59.0% of the national presidential vote this year. Where he was on the ballot, he polled .238% of the total presidential vote in those places.

Thus, the Libertarian Party and the Constitution Party experienced a similar pattern in these two presidential election years. Each party did a worse job of getting its presidential candidate on the ballot in 2008 than it had in 2004. But, in the places where each party’s presidential candidate was on the ballot, each party polled a markedly higher share of the vote in 2008 than it had in 2004.

17 Responses to “Constitution Party Presidential Vote compared- 2004 to 2008”

  1. Yosemite1967 Says:

    I wonder what the REAL counts were. :^)

  2. Freelancer Says:

    I think the votes for the CP and LP would have been even higher if their parties were on ballots in more states.

  3. DonaldRaymondLake Says:

    Hmmmmm. The wonderful patriots and open minded non agendized folks at Ballot Access News posted lots of alternative 2004 to 2008 comparisons. The only two to get mentioned on [SO CALLED] Third Party Watch were LP and CP, as some of us [Citizens For A Better Veterans Home, 1998] have been griping bout since the start of the misnamed blog. LIBERTARIAN Richard Winger could teach TPW a little, A LOT, bout even handedness and fairness!

  4. JT Says:

    “...each party polled a markedly higher share of the vote in 2008 than it had in 2004.”

    Yes. A markedly higher vote from almost nothing to almost nothing.

  5. Richard Winger Says:

    The Libertarian “almost nothing” probably tipped both North Carolina and Indiana from McCain to Obama.

  6. Jerry Heinemann Says:

    NEW RPUSA [Action Group] “ARE WE ALL JUST WASTING OUR TIME?”

    As 2008 draws to a close, the practical thing we must all ask ourselves pursuant to the recent election cycle – howbeit we really don’t want to know the answer, is – “Are we really just wasting our time in alternative politics?” While it is generally said that “politics makes for strange bedfellows” nowhere is this more emphatic than in the realm of alternative politics!

    In this circle of “fringe political groups”, those outside of the two major party’s “monopoly politics” find themselves in a world in which reality and make-believe almost overlap in a daze of self-importance! And in spite of all the Ideological Political differences, and better alternatives offered by minor parties and their candidates & policies – the fact remains that alternative politics is all but INVISIBLE to mainstream America!

    For example, of the more than 131,257,542 votes cast for president, that’s 131 MILLION+ voters, in the realm of alternative politics, nationwide, NADER (Independent) got 738,739 or about 1% of the total votes cast! BARR (Libertarian Party) got 523,277; BALDWIN (Constitution Party) got 191,702; and McKINNEY (Green Party) got 160,062!

    Oh what the heck, we might as well include Ted Weil, chair / Reform Party of Mississippi, running just in Mississippi, got 470 votes out of a total of 1,279,259 votes cast for president! Maybe, just maybe, if Octogenarian Ted Weil had spent more of his funds on WINNING AN ELECTION the past couple of years than SUING FELLOW REFORM PARTY MEMBERS he may have had a better showing – but we also wonder if the Reform Party of Mississippi even has 470 registered voters in its ranks or if these votes were just total “Protest Votes” since “None of the Above” was not a ballot option!

    But then again, maybe, just maybe, if all the legitimate Reform Party SPOs spent more time REGISTERING NEW VOTERS & providing better alternative political solutions – than being sued by false groups – the RPUSA would be an almost real political party! As it stands now, according to Ballot Access News, candidates for federal office in the Reform Party USA received only 0.02 % of the total votes cast in their respective races – that’s TWO-TENTHS OF ONE PERCENT – or in the over all scheme of things – STATISTICALLY ZERO!

  7. PTK Says:

    I presume the large drop of percentage of the national vote was from California.

  8. JT Says:

    Richard Winger: “The Libertarian “almost nothing” probably tipped both North Carolina and Indiana from McCain to Obama.”

    Nice try. The claim that the people who voted for Barr (or any other Libertarian presidential candidate) would otherwise have voted for McCain (or any other Republican presidential candidate) if there were no Libertarian on the ballot has yet to be proven by any polling data. Do you know of any study that proves that? Personally, I think that the majority of people who vote for the Libertarian presidential candidate would either 1) vote for another third party candidate or 2) vote for no one at all if the Libertarian weren’t on the ballot.

    But even if you could actually prove that most of those Barr votes would otherwise have gone to McCain, you’d also have to figure that most of the Nader votes would have gone to Obama. Ditto for Baldwin (McCain) and McKinney (Obama0 So all the third party candidates did under this theory was cancel each other out, right?

  9. citizen1 Says:

    DonaldRaymondLake Says:
    December 20th, 2008 at 6:03 am

    Hmmmmm. The wonderful patriots and open minded non agendized folks at Ballot Access News posted lots of alternative 2004 to 2008 comparisons. The only two to get mentioned on [SO CALLED] Third Party Watch were LP and CP, as some of us [Citizens For A Better Veterans Home, 1998] have been griping bout since the start of the misnamed blog. LIBERTARIAN Richard Winger could teach TPW a little, A LOT, bout even handedness and fairness!

    I’ll bet you could become a contributor if you don’t like the content.

  10. Richard Winger Says:

    In North Carolina and Indiana, Barr, Obama and McCain were the only presidential candidates on the ballot.

  11. DonaldRaymondLake Says:

    citizen1: ‘huh?”

  12. Roscoe Says:

    What explains the failure of the LP to get on more ballots than in 2004?
    Late start to nominating a candidate? Higher ballot access hurdles?
    More widespread dislike of the nominee? Decline of certain state orgs between ‘04 and ‘08? Can’t “fix” the problem until we know what caused the problem.

  13. DonaldRaymondLake Says:

    Roscoe: So we can agree that if some one wanted reliable transportation ya pay attention to the mechanics in the garage——- not the sales force on the display floor? [Citizens For A Better Veterans Home to CALVETS/ CDVA on numerous occations…..]

  14. Paul K. Says:

    “In this circle of “fringe political groups”, those outside of the two major party’s “monopoly politics” find themselves in a world in which reality and make-believe almost overlap in a daze of self-importance!”

    Only too true. Lacking any real power to influence political events in the real world “activists” all too often turn to exercising what I’ll call “pretend power” in the tiny closed world of third party politics.

    While I admire the ideological consistancy of the LP this very principle negates its ablility to achieve any meaningful electoral sucess. Thirty years into this the voters (and media) actually have a pretty good idea
    what the LP stands for and simply don’t agree. While we can bitch and moan about their ignorance or lack of perfect understanding this doesn’t change the reality. Until the LP (or other party or combination) adopts a non-ideological platform that accomodates a “big tent” their potential is constrained by the number of ideological converts it is able to make. Even under the best of circumstances a very small number.

    On ballot access:

    I had a conversation with a former partner during the election about ballot status. I was complaining about OK’s ballot law signature requirements. He said “what’s the problem”, if your candidate is real he shouldn’t have any trouble collecting them. I was outraged (and in the case of OK justifiably so). But think about it. Ballot status enables a candidate – any candidate – to appear on the general election ballot in November. This is a major political benefit. Hillary spent over a $100 million and wasn’t on the ballot in the fall, Ron Paul raised $30 m. to run 4th in a 6 way race. Is ballot access a pain in the ass that requires a lot of time, organization and a few hundred thousand dollars in expenses -yes. But consider that Obama and McCain spent hundreds of millions of dollars to get their parties’ nomination to get the same result. If the LP or other minor party wants the same benefit they need to quit bitching and get the job done.

    Is it the major parties’ fault that we can’t raise money? Is it their fault that our organizers take the signatures to the wrong office or otherwise screw up? Why should the media cover us if we have no power and do nothing newsworthy?

    We need the Liberty Party.

    Regards. Paul

  15. Clark Says:

    ....as one wag put it, “when mcdonalds and burger king spend illions on advertising they’re bound to sell more burgers than ‘joe’s burgers’...even though joe’s burger is much superior…

    ...either get your own media outlet(s) or stfu, you silly stoooooopid republicrat fucks!... ;o)

    ...decent folks, have a nice day!...

  16. Ayn R. Key Says:

    I think Alan Keyes is partially responsible for low CP vote totals, considering that he absconded with the CA ballot line for the CP.

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