812 delegates.
Mimi Robson: Move to amend to add all the rejected Michigan Delegates. She reads the list.
Chair rules a majority vote is needed.
Chadderdon appeals the ruling of the chair, claiming 7/8 needed.
Robson speaks in favor of the chair’s ruling. as do other speakers.
Question called. Majority votes to call question.
Ziemba, MI Secretary, says list was forwarded by MI to the credentials committee.
Question on amendment called.
They advance to a counted vote. The plan for accelerating the vote was an epic fail. They have advanced to the traditional method. The chair counted 407 votes in favor, a majority, and stopped, so the motion passed.
There is now a motion to add to the Washington delegation. Chair suggests that a 7/8 vote is needed. There are points of order. Chair agrees that these are amendments to the report and a majority vote is needed. There is a question as to whether or not the Washington delegates were properly submitted. The WA chair says that they were submitted in advance. The ruling of the chair is appealed. They are now counting the votes. Chair asks people to stay seated unless voting ‘the alternative is to prolong your pain and suffering’. The ruling of the chair was overturned 413-376.
Aaron Starr asks the Credentials Committee Chair why the 14 Washington delegates were not included. No answer. They advance to a vote. The Washington Delegate names are added.
There is a motion to add names of alternates to the Oklahoma delegation. Credential Committee chair claims to have interpreted the Oklahoma bylaws in a certain way. Oklahoma delegation chair says their Judicial and Executive Committees endorsed the OK action as being in accord with their bylaws. Steve Dasbach says this is a repeat of the prior debate over Washington. Question is called after vote.
Standing vote on whether a 7/8 vote is needed this time. Vote is being counted. Vote was 387-436 in favor of overturning the ruling of the chair. Question is called.
Vote is being taken on adding 15 Oklahoma delegates to the Oklahoma delegation. The background cheers are ‘seat them all’. The vote passes.
The credentials report is adopted. Recess for lunch until 1:30.
They returned at 2PM. Several new delegates and alternates were added. On one of them a 7/8 vote was needed and obtained. Others were added. The agenda is reached. Various people make ‘points of order’ that were not.
There is a motion to move the Presidential debate to tomorrow at 9AM and push the rest of the agenda later. There was another complicated amendment made as an amendment to this amendment. At this Point MI Chair Chadderdon raises a point of order that the WA and OK delegations are still invalid. After much confusion, the motion to put the Presidential Debate tomorrow at 9AM and include Mike ter Maat.
Starr wants Bylaws votes before officer elections because bylaws changes could change the list of officers.
Robson motion passes.
We are back to the Credentials Committee Chair claiming the WA and OK delegation additions are invalid. Chair is claiming that an appeal of her ruling is not eligible. There is much parliamentary noise. A complicated motion from Aaron Starr was turned down. New motion on seating delegates.
Motion to vacate the chair. Ignored.
The motion to add the Washington and Oklahoma new delegates. Again. After an hour and a half.
Convention is dissolving into disorder. Chair threatened to remove delegates from the meeting. Apparently some delegates were removed.
Treasurer has submitted a written report. He now speaks. Clean FEC Bill of Health. Clean audit in years with no deficiencies. Paid off line of credit based on business assets. Outsources the accounting operations. Defeated an FEC complaint. Highest cash-equivalent balance in a decade. Party is in a strong financial position.
Projected revenue for this year is 1.6-1.7 million for the year, based on convention fundraising.
We have raised $400K this month and $200K in the last few days. He is asked how much was spent on suing LPMI members. Treasurer dodges answering. $183K was raised in the last few days in the Presidential straw poll.
Advance to the Audit Committee Report. The Auditors were entirely happy.
The nominees for national chair are Ken Moellman, Mark Rutherford, Steven Nekhaila, Angela McArdle, Jorge Besado, and perhaps a sixth.
Meeting is ending for the day.
Phil: “I think Mises wants to screw up the convention on purpose so that a LP presidential candidate is not elected.”
You think that, otherwise, there’s a serious possibility the LP presidential candidate would be elected this year?
I’m fairly certain that the election in question there is that of the party’s nominee at the convention.
Joe, I’m Mises-aligned and if I were there I would have voted to seat all three of the challenged delegations and have voted down the Chadderdon nonsense. I lived through the GOP’s shenanigans in the Ron Paul days; shameful to see some Mises people doing those same things that the RNC did to us over a decade ago.
Anyway, good case study to the non-Mises folks to show that many of us are not like that and really just call the shots like we see them, including if it’s outside “caucus lines.” Hopefully when this kerfuffle is over we can all move forward working together.
Mises needed another 50 to 75 delegates here to prevail.
Fairly obvious they tried to get a majority by manipulating the credentialing process (appointing Members to that committee last week in apparent violation of the national party bylaws). They saw this coming.
Witnessed dejection among some Mises aligned, but also witnessed some Mises aligned shifting to unaligned given the initial gross unfairness.
RFK presentation received at best tepid reactions, except for his promise to pardon Snowden and Assange, which gained enthusiastic cheers and a partial standing ovation.
Chair candidate debate is moved to Saturday.
“Chair is claiming that an appeal of her ruling is not eligible. There is much parliamentary noise”
“Motion to vacate the chair. Ignored”
“Convention is dissolving into disorder. Chair threatened to remove delegates from the meeting. Apparently some delegates were removed.”
Things are getting interesting already. The chair and the body appear to be approaching irreconcilability.
It appears from the Credentials votes that the Mises folks don’t have quite enough delegates to run the show.
This could get -um- interesting. Be prepared for anything.
Watching this on Youtube and I think it isn’t just simple incompetence. I think Mises wants to screw up the convention on purpose so that a LP presidential candidate is not elected.