McArdle Denounces Harlos
As seen on the LNC Public List. The denunciation was made as a response was made to a statement by Harlos which follows. The denunciation follows Harlos’s comments.
The Editor is slightly puzzled by McArdle’s claim that the full text of Harlos’s JC complaint has not been given to the LNC. On one hand, there has been no sign on the public List that Harlos has been asked for the item. On the other hand, a copy of the document has been up here for some time now.
LP Secretary
Subject: Email Ballots and Renewal of Motions
I would hope no one wants a valid motion to be simply declared invalid without just cause. Particularly before it has even been made.
Declaring something that is not “live” out of order is completely improper. One has to at least made until the motion is made and properly sponsored and an appeal can then be had.
I would suggest everyone familiarize themselves with Section 38 of RONR about renewal of motions.
Now of course the Chair can declare, contrary to over a decade of practice, that all emails are one session and a motion cannot be renewed in the same session. And would that mean the entire term? Or just emails between indisputable sessions? Okay. I think that will have some interesting unintended consequences later but at least that would be a valid reason. This is why RONR discourages email voting. That would just mean I could make it at a new session. And our August meeting is indisputably a new session.
I highly do not recommend declaring that all emails are one session. That may come to work against you.
But if so, then I will just wait until the August meeting. I await the Chair’s reasoning on how a motion (which indisputably had an error in the opening ballot arguably making it void ab initio and have to be redone) cannot be renewed in this matter.
I would hope to see citations without being just summary shut down without response. Even those not in agreement with my position on recent events know this is not proper.
If, when I finally do make the motion, and it is properly sponsored (if it is) and the Chair shuts it down, I am not going to appeal. But I will notice it for the August meeting and at that point it would be a gross violation of my rights to have it summarily shut down.
And that’s all I have to say on the matter except to give notice (and will put in the notice thread) that I will raise it in August if just shut down here.
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Angela McArdle
Subject: Email Ballots and Renewal of Motions
A motion is dilatory if it seeks to obstruct or thwart the will of the assembly as clearly indicated by the existing parliamentary situation. It is the duty of the presiding officer to prevent members from misusing the legitimate forms of motions, or abusing the privilege of renewing certain motions, merely to obstruct business. Whenever the chair becomes convinced that one or more members are repeatedly using parliamentary forms for dilatory purposes, he should either not recognize these members or he should rule that such motions are out of order.
“I’m not even claiming it would have passed. ”
Here is what you are doing: You are actively obstructing every avenue of productivity that you can. You’re clogging up the business list, you’re filing improper complaints, you’ve refused to fully disclose the entirety of your JC appeal to the LNC. When people have tried to talk to you about your behavior, we are accused of gaslighting, trying to make you feel bad, or guilting you. You are hyper-fixated on RFK jr. It is not normal or productive behavior. I am calling you to order again and asking you to behave professionally. Your conduct is obstructionist and dilatory.
Angela McArdle
Chair, Libertarian National Committee
