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LNC Meeting May 18, 2025

They start. Presentation by Debbie Mason of Strategists.  Rather hard to hear. We seem to lose the lower frequencies.  Condemns having the Board Chair being also the CEO. She is challenged on the Bylaws issue, which she did not know. She says she will recognize best practices. Says Executive Director should be CEO; Board Chair should be moderator.

Proposes ED should work in partnership with collective vision of entire board. Execution: Staff with board – supported committees.  Says LNC is overstaffed(?). Wants 3-year plan for collective vision. You have a fundraising emergency.  Says whole board should do phone fundraising. Notes 2024 convention and Kennedy money obscured financial difficulties. Redevelop credibility and trust by showing board coming together in a single vision. Try to find areas of commonality.Speaks favorably for PDR. Reports staff thinks well of the Executive Director. Says LNC is understaffed.Staff is grateful to ED for setting metrics and keeping people in line.  For more staff, need more money. Speaks of importance of fundraising.  Says Executive Director is extremely efficient and effective.

Recommends a collective vision for the next 3-5 years.  Fundraising will not work until LP is a functional group.  Once board is settled and commonality found fundraising will improve.   Claims there were nearly complete projects that were cancelled or put on hold, an extreme waste of resources.

Martin: choices of path. Direction 1 pass rules on what we should do.  Direction 2 have operators on the ground across the nation.  Believes that you can identify winnable races and concentrate resources. Says that states of Region 1 see LNC as an obstacle. Mason apparently said that Regional Representatives should be eliminated. Says LNC needs to build trust. LNC needs to send information to members.

Someone says we need money to fund projects and increase staff.  To raise money, donors need to see vision and action.  Need job description for board, time and fundraising commitments, and behavioral aspects.

Comparison with strong and weak mayor systems. Mason: Board may do things, but under the direction of the staff. In today’s world, an effective chair is a facilitator.

Mason is hard to hear.

Someone: There is a lack of credibility. Half of membership thinks board did not do what it was elected to do. Standard proposal can be seen as effort to weaponize rules and maintain control.  How do we get credibility and maintain trust? Censoring board members damages credibility.   Mason: Board members must support board decisions once they have been voted. Concern that in next board election board members who disagreed with board decision lose to people attacking the decision.

Someone notes that the report went up on X.com. What do you think of this.  Mason: Totally unacceptable

Chadderdon: Concerned with board members who discuss publicly proposals under consideration. What do we do about board members who continually violate standards of behavior.

Mason: Need to call them out every time.

Thompson: We are here to represent  our members.

Mason: Disagreement makes a group stronger.  Disagreement needs to be expressed in the right place.

Someone: We have no idea who leaked the report. Explaining no votes can be used as a claim that a  board member is undermining board.  Libertarians are unique.  Mason answers.

Extended conversation, but acoustics are not picking up Mason’s voice properly.

Return from recess. The Bylaws Committee was elected.  Sound keeps dropping out.

Advance to Second Malagon motion, to create a Financial Standards Committee to approve all spending and review all financial actions.  Committee is LNC Treasurer and two other LNC members. Redpath – not a bad idea, but all new expenditures would e.g. include a few dollars for office supplies. Scheduling is awkward.  Should be a lower dollar limit below which permission is not needed. Malagon – we are in dire straits.  Approval in real time like APRC.

Question about what should be approved by the committee. The point of approval is that we are in such bad circumstances that we cannot have the chair simply spend money and tell us. Motion to remove the word ‘approve’.  Malagon claims that critics haven’t read the amendment or do not understand it.The objective is to have a committee that understands our finances.

Ford: Where does this committee fit in the time line. Malagon: Committee is supposed to report whether or not we have the money. Someone proposes that the LNC has not being the job that it should to review finances, so we create a committee to review. Vote to end discussion passes.  Confusion on what they are voting on. Amendment fails.  Replace ‘approve’ with ‘review for all expenditures totaling over $100’.  Discussion: Extended remarks that amendment does not solve the problem with the motion namely that it puts a committee over the LNC.  Harlos proposes to divide the main motion. Concern that committee will usurp the authority of the board, but I don’t think this keeps the board from voting. Comment: This proposal will jam up progress; we should trust our staff. This is unnecessary bureaucracy. We need to know what is happening, but should trust our staff.  All questions moved. Passes.  Motion to divide. Malagon asks for roll call votes. Passes.  Harlos moves to divide to allow a review committee but not an approval committee. Division passes. First item passes 8-3. Chadderdon (I think) points out that motions yesterday needed roll calls.  His comment will be minuted, but yesterday’s work was not invalidated.

Malagon proposal 3: Discussion of discretionary chair spending.  If the LNC later ratifies the spending,  is it still chair discretionary spending? Hard to follow. Comment; Tension between carefully restricting everything and being very accepting, and we need policies that address these issues. Parliamentary disputation. Some question as to whether or not a vote passed.

We reach motion 4. Malagon: This is DC law and the auditor’s report.  The intent is to add oversight of contracts. Requirements on the contents of contracts are added. Motion passes.

Motion 5.  Move material from one part of the policy manual to another. Roll call. Passes.  Malagon appeared to vote against his own motion but perhaps not.

The microphone is sufficiently good that the person clicking his pen every couple of seconds is sending us loud clicks.

Harlos argues that a regular meeting cannot recess to an electronic meeting.  Debate on this point is spending time they do not have.

New motion: people who owe the LNC money cannot do business with the LNC.  Debate is incoherent. concern that rule interferes with selective response. Concern that proposed rule has mandatory requirements. Harlos: LNC would have to determine there is a violation.  Some idiot is clicking his pen loud enough to interfere with my hearing of what is being said.  They are attempting to edit the motion on the floor. Historically, the LNC did by direct motion what is being proposed for the policy manual. An amendment was defeated. Concern as to the level of due process needed for reviews. Discussion emphasizing that outside contractors are not subject to our conflict of interest rule. Malagon: The LNC should decide what is appropriate as a resolution to an issue. There is a debate as to whether or not striking a section of the motion has any effect.

They are rearrange the agenda to discuss a rule on LNC members doing consulting for pay. They rearranged. The motion was amended.  Roberts ponderously advances the meeting.  Member: This is an attack on my region. Other member complains that it would be inconsistent with their contract with a state or with a regional agreement.  The objective is to prevent LNC members from providing services, paid or unpaid, to states other than their own, where the LNC might be seen as meddling in the affairs of particular states.  Redpath notes that the rule could keep him from providing ballot access support.  Martin speaks vehemently against the motion. Other member: You are kneecapping my income.  I do consulting. Secretary proposes people who provide services to other states need to disclose what they are doing, so the LNC can respond. Malagon: If the amendment passes, there is no point to the motion.  He moves all previous questions. passes. Harlos amendment passes.  Motion defeated 0-13-1.

Malagon motion 7:  Click. click. click. click. Voices in the background. Instead proposes December in-person budget meeting in California in the Bay area, date would be December 6-7 or December 13-14.  Mumbled discussion.  Arguing about which way to put off  doing this business, recess, postpone, or adjourn. Complaint because ‘recess must be to the same place.’ Meet on June 1 at 7PM. Harlos keeps arguing.  It also turns out that a half-dozen members missed this meeting.  The amoutof time wasted due to Roberts was amazing. They somehow ended the meeting.

 

20 Comments

  1. Dr. Chuck Moulton Dr. Chuck Moulton May 18, 2025

    Who was selected for the Bylaws Committee?

    • George Phillies George Phillies Post author | May 18, 2025

      You, for one, I think.

      • Caryn Ann Harlos Caryn Ann Harlos May 19, 2025

        Yes Chuck. I’ll be posting names on public list tomorrow. I’m stuck in Chicago atm.

  2. Darryl W Perry Darryl W Perry May 18, 2025

    Did I miss it, or did the LNC not take up the Redpath motions re LPNH & LPCO?

    • George Phillies George Phillies Post author | May 18, 2025

      did not take up <--did not get there

  3. Caryn Ann Harlos Caryn Ann Harlos May 18, 2025

    George, there was very little Robert’s. I shall now click a pen all the time (it wasn’t me). Mr. Chadderdon pointed out PM was amended to allow adjourning online which I was not aware of during last year so it ms all good

    • George Phillies George Phillies Post author | May 18, 2025

      Caryn Ann, you were at the wrong end of the table to be the pen clicker. I am happy to learn that Roberts was improved. Was Debbie Mason there, or was she speaking via speakerphone?

  4. Michael Wilson Michael Wilson May 18, 2025

    Any report on the number of media releases they sent out? How about the number of letters to the editor the board members personally wrote that got published?

  5. Pat Jones Pat Jones May 18, 2025

    I realise you are doing this in real time, but just on the off chance I may not be the only non-libertarian, or non party insider reading, please go back when you can and spell out the acronyms. I have no idea what many of them are supposed to stand for.

    For example, I don’t know what PDR and APRC are. I know that LNC is the libertarian national committee because I’ve been reading other posts here, and in context, ED must mean executive director, not erectile dysfunction.

    • Liberty Elephant Liberty Elephant May 18, 2025

      I forgot exactly what APRC stands for, but it’s an LNC authorized subcommittee which reviews their various communications for platform compliance (and perhaps other possible problems). Since this includes things like social media posts, they have a lot of things to review on short notice, thus the point may have been that Malagon’s proposal isn’t unworkable even if it requires review of tiny expenditures..

      I have to say I’m stumped by PDR as well. I looked it up, and the most common meaning is Physicians Desk Reference, but there are many others. If there’s one specific to the libertarians, I’m not remembering it.

      • Pat Jones Pat Jones May 19, 2025

        Thank you for filling me in on “APRC.” I remain entirely bereft of a clue as to “PDR.” If my own past experiences with the Libertarian Party are any guide, my off the top guess is Public Displays of Revulsion, as opposed to Public Displays of Affection. But, I remain marginally curious as to the intended meaning.

        • George Phillies George Phillies Post author | May 19, 2025

          Project Decentralized Revolution

          • Pat Jones Pat Jones May 20, 2025

            Thank you..

  6. Joseph Joseph May 18, 2025

    “We’ve forgotten how to debate ideas instead of disparaging people”
    -Debbie Mason

    IMO….the most important issue that needs to be addressed by this LNC is the lack of respect and courtesy shown to others by some board members.
    This behavior needs to be called out by the chair and action taken by the board if that behavior continues…including removal.

    Angela let some on the board act like disrespectful children and that needs to stop. Angela admitted she couldn’t control Malagon.

  7. Joseph Joseph May 18, 2025

    To paraphrase Debbie…
    It not that you (LNC members) disagree…it’s the way, when, where and how you do it that attributes to board dysfunction.
    And LNC has lost the boundaries to healthy debate.

  8. Joseph Joseph May 18, 2025

    To paraphrase Debbie….
    Board members should not show dissension (on twitter, etc.) when outvoted or their motion voted down.
    Fiduciary responsibility of board members to put organization (LP) above their own (state affiliates).
    Debbie advised all to find commonality.

    For the record….Malagon left because he didn’t like what was being said and he has been laughing at the comments of others.
    Debbie implied behavior like this needs to be called out.

  9. Joseph Joseph May 18, 2025

    Debbie Mason stated explicitly the current fundraising dilemma is a direct result of the dysfunction of the board and it’s not going to improve until the board can function, somewhat anyway, in a professional or functional manner.

    Say what you want about Sarwark, but he ran a good meeting, and all the metrics were up: membership, revenue and elected officials.

    Sarwark was on cable news many times exposing many to the ideas of liberty and Libertarian Party. That exposure was/is invaluable.

    • Nicholas Sarwark Nicholas Sarwark May 18, 2025

      The three terms from 2014-2020 were significantly better along all metrics than 2020-2025.

      • Joseph Joseph May 18, 2025

        You have been vindicated, Nick.
        Your tenure as chair was a success by any metric used.

        Mike Heise, Dave Smith, Aaron Harris, etc. failed in their “takeover”.
        The MC handpicked chair was an absolute failure, as membership data, revenue data and elected official data all prove conclusively, and she was, allegedly, a thief.

    • Hank Phillips Hank Phillips May 18, 2025

      I clearly recall when the Trumpanzee and Jesus Caucus character-assassination of Nick Sarwark was rolled out in the wake of one of those fake debates. It was exactly the sort of thing I always cheered when it was the fascist looters doing it to the communist looters and vice-versa, all the while pretending to ignore us. But after 2016 it was their infiltrators laying groundwork for a putsch, then an Anschluss.

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