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You just made my point. Everyone in the LP, regardless of their actual stance on issues, believes themselves to be a libertarian.
Some, for example the leaders of mises, believe themselves to be the true libertarians and others to not. This is why they effectively purged the presidential campaign. It is why they try to purge anyone who disagrees with them.
And since the definition of a libertarian is somewhat vague, they get away with it. They can find a way to prove to themselves that they are libertarian, while they apear to other libertarians to not be.
Who is correct? Is a libertarian a Classical liberal? An anarchist? Something else? How can someone like Trump get away with calling himself a libertarian when it is convenient. Kennedy? Really? You let him into the convention as well as Trump? Someone actually nominated Kennedy? There’s your proof.
To the anarchist, the classical liberal is not quite libertarian enough, because they believe that you have to have some minimal government. To the classical liberal, the anarchist doesn’t understand that you can’t live with “no rules“. An oversimplification, but you get the point.
In the end, the decades long result of the Dallas accord appears to be the destruction — or near destruction — of the party by outside infiltrators, calling themselves libertarians and getting away with it.
Because both sides have the same answer: Oh that’s easy, that’s me.
You need to define the party. The Dallas accord has been shattered.
That is why some of us, who understand what is going on, have opted to build a new classical liberal party and let the anarchists have what is left of the LP as it sinks.
Of course, we may have the same problem defining a classical liberal party. Hopefully we won’t.
It would be so much simpler if everyone just agreed with me that anarcho-capitalists, minarchists, and classical liberals are all libertarian and modern liberals, geolibertarians, paleolibertarians, and objectivists are libertarian with some deviations.
It was you Stewart.
Well, I appreciate that, but I am never coming back.
Even if I wanted to, which I don’t, my doctor would not allow it. There is a certain stress level in trying to save something like the LP that would far exceed what I could handle.
Right now I’m dealing with the fact that I bought a ticket to go to the liberal party convention back in September, but in October I both fell again and came down with a nasty bout of Covid. My mobility has been set back at least three or four months. There is no way I can travel to Houston safely in December, so that’s a wasted $150.
I’m sorry to hear that. I was in the midst of severe COVID when the LNC was hanging me and the Chair despite a doctor’s letter refuses an extension (and it’s not her sole decision anyway). I hope you don’t get the rash. It’s terrible.
Rash? No, but I didn’t leave the apartment for over two weeks. Covid hits everyone differently. I got the not being able to taste things or smell things part, and what was a really nasty head, cold and congestion. I kept it from turning into pneumonia by doubling and tripling my daily Lasix intake. That is all they really gave me in the hospital, and it was tens of thousands of dollars cheaper.
I almost have all my energy back, but that really takes it out of you. And as I said, there is no way that I can safely fly anywhere. I was in much better shape in September before this happened.
I still don’t understand why they didn’t give you more time because of catching Covid. It is too easy to get and too hard to avoid. And you never know when you are exposed or who you caught it from unless someone literally coughs in your face and you get sick a few days later.
They didn’t because a lot of them are just bad people. Not all but the good ones are cowed into silence. I’ll never be cowed into silence no matter what position I have or don’t have.
I think they are just now realizing this isn’t 2021 Caryn Ann and there’s not a damn thing they can do to me that’s going to shut me up.
The Libertarian Party is unfortunately irrelevant (for the next 4 years at least). They choose Trump over Chase & aligned themselves with the MEGA Republicans. Their Chair will not let us forget it was she who collaborated ((supposedly) with Trump beginning a year ago. The LP is no longer in “opposition” to the duopoly. True libertarians are now politically homeless. But there’s a place where they are welcomed. Please join me here: liberalpartyusa.org
To learn more about the LKPUSA please come to our Live Life Liberally Conference next month in Houston: https://www.liberalpartyusa.org/2024_convention
But per the Liberal Party facebook page, you can’t participate in the convention if you are from a state that doesn’t have an affiliate. So why go?
My guess is that 5.4 will be stricken at their next convention. That of course is assuming that there is one. Mises accomplished their goal, so there is the possibility that they will just finish stripping all the assets and go back to their masters in the Republican Party.
Not if I have anything to say about it.
In partisan politics, what team you’re on does matter. I have said so as much in two JC rulings so far, have said so for two decades-plus, and will continue to do so.
Yes, it does. And while I certainly commend you for your dedication in trying to save your party, those of you remaining are beginning to look a lot like the small orchestra playing on the deck of the Titanic as it went down.
My drums float and I’m dressed for the cold, so I’ll be okay if that happens.
They don’t have the votes. Please come back just to save the party. I beg you.
Caryn, congratulations on your state of Colorado defeating top=four!
I know, what a relief!
Who are you asking to come back? Your message appears to be a reply to me, but I am assuming you meant Robert.
If it was to me, well…I accomplished a few things in the party but in the grand scheme of things my dozen plus years were insignificant and in retrospect mostly a waste of my time. The loonies had far too much control. And none of them ever wanted any classical liberal/minarchists around anyway.
If it was Robert who you were referencing, I believe his recent steps to help form and build a new national party give you his answer.
The bigger problem right now is what the Mises will do. Will they scatter to the wind, or will they dig in and try to prevent any possible recovery? If this is a takeover in the style of past internal battles within the Republican Party, they already have a “cleanup crew” waiting. These will be people relatively new to the LP, mostly having joined this past cycle, and not in charge of anything or claiming any connection to Mises.
They will be helpful in voting out the current leaders, and will be rewarded with positions at the state and national level. There will be just enough of them along with “old guard”. Their true colors will be revealed as they then continue much of the destructive course Mises put you on.
I would not elect anyone to any party position at any level who joined after the 2020 convention. You will need at least two terms of this restriction. The second string infiltrators won’t hang around forever, giving you time to build up new leadership.
Unfortunately, this requires a visible level of paranoia that could shrink the party even more for a few years. The likelyhood of survival would be minimal.
This reminds me of the rise of the Christian coalition in the 90s. By strange coincidence, it actually started and was led from the Charleston area. It was quite common to run into Roberta Combs at local meetings. I saw how they rose to power, and how they were eventually for the most part beaten back. But some survived.
The level of paranoia in the Republican Party led to a fight to stop things like the rise of Ron Paul movement, which led to an environment that allowed someone like Trump to sneak in. The remnants of the coalition snagged onto him and helped him gain power. That is why the Christian right ignored his problems and supported him. Their hope is that they can survive the bad parts of Trump-ism and eventually succeed in their original takeover plan.
You are in a much worse situation, because all you have is a party with no actual elected public officials of any consequence. ie, no matter how you look at it, you are probably screwed.
But the orchestra on the Titanic allegedly didn’t sound half bad. They still all died.
Your 2020 suggestion is good but I doubt many would go for it. I’d put it later – we know where 2020-2024 people stand.
They will not. The composition of the Party is changing next year to actual Libertarians. If they don’t bankrupt it first.
That is assuming you can get everyone to agree on the definition of an “actual libertarian”…
Oh that’s easy, that’s me.